Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Philippos of Greece


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After discounting some weak or nonexistent arguments on both sides, we end up with a pretty borderline amount of sourcing, with no clear inclination. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Prince Philippos of Greece
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This article was salted at its original title after being constantly recreated after a deletion discussion:. A new editor has escaped that decision by recreating it at an unprotected title. This discussion is to determine whether the new material is sufficient evidence that the prince has become notable since the last deletion. DrKay (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. DrKay (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect to Constantine_II_of_Greece (which mentions him). Essentially all the coverage cited in the article is about his wedding, which was covered in lots of gossip/society publications. If that's his sole claim to notability then the article fails WP:BLP1E / WP:BIO1E. There is some potential for confusion with Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh as his birth name is sometimes rendered as "Prince Philippos" and he was also Greek, so we might potentially need a disambiguation page.  Hut 8.5  12:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Deposed monarchy cruft.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, that logic could apply to his siblings as well. The issue here is not whether the monarchy has been deposed or not, but whether the person is notable enough to have an article. For example, we have articles on all of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi’s children, despite the fact that he was dethroned. Keivan.f  Talk 01:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Whether we have articles on other subjects doesn't have much bearing on whether we should have this article. Possibly those articles should be deleted as well. Possibly there's something different about the circumstances of those articles. For example three of his four siblings were born before the abolition of the Greek monarchy and were therefore actual royals at one point.  Hut 8.5  07:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I never said that those articles should be used as a justification to keep this one. I simply said that the monarchy being deposed in a given country cannot be used as an argument to delete a page about a member of that country’s former royal house. And we do have articles on individuals whose family is not reigning at this point. Thus notability needs to be determined case by case and “Deposed monarchy cruft” is not a valid argument. Keivan.f  Talk 16:58, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSCRUFT is not a good argument. I don't know why you even bother participating when the admins who close Afds are going to ignore what you wrote anyway. StellarHalo (talk) 06:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Constantine_II_of_Greece. Pahiy (talk) 21:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep We have articles on his siblings, so the fact that his father is not a reigning king bears no influence on his notability whatsoever. I vote based on the sources, and it seems to me that there has been sufficient coverage about him in the press lately in light of his recent marriage. Not to mention that we have an article on his wife as well, and in most references the two of them are covered together, so I cannot understand how one is notable and the other is not. Keivan.f  Talk 01:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * In view of the previous discussions, I'm inclined to go for an ATD: if the sourcing is indeed improving, the redirect target could be a place for these to accumulate until this is clear. If you or think keep is the right outcome with the article as it stands now, could you give the best sources per WP:THREE? &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 15:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you hadn't pinged me, so I didn't see your message immediately. The article already has references to English and French sources, most of which are accepted as reliable sources here on Wikipedia. Additionally I was able to find coverage in Denmark's Billed Bladet (1, 2) and searches in both Danish and Greek yield results, something that wouldn't have occurred if he was not notable. Keivan.f  Talk 01:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:OSE arguments are weak in general, and particularly so in this case. Fails GNG. I would also salt based on the continued recreation.   Onel 5969  TT me 15:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Searching on Greece and Spanish languages, I see dozens of sources. I'm not sure that qualifies for WP:SIGCOV. I'll leave that to the experts. VocalIndia (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep appears to have enough coverage across multiple sources to pass WP:GNG. NemesisAT (talk) 19:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. No in-depth coverage from sources; so far, just his parents son. (And definitely not a prince of Greece, although probably of Denmark.) ǁ ǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 08:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Constantine_II_of_Greece per, or altenatively the less specific List of princes of Greece. Given the article keeps getting recreated, we should be considering either an WP:ATD or salting; my preference is not to salt. &mdash; Charles Stewart (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename Prince Philippos of Greece and Denmark, in accordance with the naming of articles of other members of the former Greek royal family. Appears to have enough coverage to pass WP:GNG, and all his other siblings have their own articles. Not to mention there are already articles for him on Danish Wikipedia, French Wikipedia, Portuguese Wikipedia, Spanish Wikipedia, Catalan Wikipedia, Dutch Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, Norwegian Wikipedia, Thai Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia, Japanese Wikipedia, Estonian Wikipedia, and Macedonian Wikipedia. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 14:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Willthacheerleader18.  Peter Ormond &#128172;  23:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not a big fan of the deposed royalty cruft, but I'll note that we have been bombarded with thousands of articles on extremely minor, obscure British barons, "sons of barons" and other minor aristocrats (there are over 500 people in the bizarre Category:Younger sons of barons alone!). Compared to them, he's obviously in quite a different league, probably more notable than Archie Mountbatten-Windsor or Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor who don't have any titles and who are merely great-grandchildren of a monarch (as opposed to being son of a king). A cleanup of the nobility cruft should focus on deleting articles on minor, obscure British nobles such as Rupert Law, 9th Baron Ellenborough with absolutely no evidence of any notability or any accomplishments beyond having inherited one of the lowest noble titles in 2013. Most of the thousands of articles on British barons and sons of barons and other minor aristocrats are like Rupert Law, not notable in any way. --Tataral (talk) 01:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Besides all the wide coverage of his marriage and wedding, there are also other sources on him of varying details: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 but they together allow this article to barely pass WP:GNG. StellarHalo (talk) 06:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.