Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess Zein bint Hussein


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  04:52, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Princess Zein bint Hussein

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A non-notable royal. Notability isn't inherited. Perhaps redirect to her fathers' page. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:50, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. I'm not sure that there's any formal declaration of where we draw the line for "presumptive notability" for members of the royal families of reigning monarchs, for whom, after all, their potential notability literally is inherited. In this case, the article's subject is the daughter of a reigning king (rather than any of the more obscure relationships that can nevertheless lead to someone being a "Princess"), and I'd be inclined to consider that sufficiently significant; certainly so in comparison to the British Royal Family, where grandchildren of the monarch have articles. That said, I can't imagine that there hasn't been some minimally sufficient amount of coverage of her in the Jordanian press, although that's poorly represented online (and largely in Arabic, naturally). I know that, at the very least, there has been mention of her in the context of her own immediate family. Her son, Jaafar, is a successful Jordanian singer (with international coverage; he is probably notable in his own right). Her daughter Joumana is involved in the fashion industry and has apparently received some coverage in the Jordanian fashion magazine Layalina. From sources I wouldn't deem particularly reliable, I know that her husband is the brother of Princess Alia bint Hussein's second husband, and that Princess Zein has an adopted daughter in addition to her two biological children. I find it fairly implausible that such topics did not receive coverage from JRTV or any of the Jordanian newspapers. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I do believe her husband is the brother of her brother in law. This is surprisingly common in Arab culture. More importantly the coverage appears to be trivial to me, but then again the language and online bias that you mentioned could affect that. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned up the article a little, culled the content that was sourced from obvious non-RS, and added what I could find from English-language sources. Jordan Times only has searchable archives back to 2006 (and their search engine leaves a bit to be desired as well), and most of the newsworthy events involving Princess Zein predate that. If one believes that more significant coverage exists in Arabic, offline, then it is likely that she would pass the threshold of notability. If one believes that the easily available English sources are all there is to find, then this AFD is largely a question of whether the daughter of a king (and sister of his successor) crosses the bar of notability more easily than would similarly-sourced non-royalty (because I'm not even going to pretend that the cited sources would be otherwise sufficient). I'm still inclined to keep, citing the readiness of inclusion of members of the British royal family, systemic bias, and so forth. YMMV. I'm also fairly certain that her son Jaafar is notable on his own, but that doesn't speak directly to this deletion proposal. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 19:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 23:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for both your work on the article and your opinion. I'll keep the AfD open and see what others think. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:58, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This is the English Wikipedia and there's people who flock to keep articles on royal fetuses of the United Kingdom. Having this helps balance things out. This article can be improved with Arabic sources. Here is one I found.
 * According to an online translator, the sentence with her native name (زين بنت الحسين) says, "And for women from Friday at the home of the deceased object in Amman or sumac southern area next to schools Manthoor girl Princess Zein al-Hussein Street Building No. (8)." So she might have a street named after her. BigGuy88 (talk) 01:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:47, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks notable enough.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:45, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.