Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princeton University Mathematics Competition


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. It comes down to whether this meets WP:GNG or not. While some of the sources are successfully rebutted as non-sufficient, there are other sources mentioned that the subject might meet it and wasn't commented on. As for the redirect comment, we don't do that option to content like this, as the parent list is a bunch of redlinks of non-notable contests which needs a serious pruning. If this gets redirected and removed while pruning, we are dealing with a useless redirect. Secret account 05:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Princeton University Mathematics Competition

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I think this event fails our notability guidelines. I'm unable to find more than trivial mentions of it in local press. Prod was contested on the grounds that there is an online forum that mentions it called "AoPS" or some such (you can see the original post on the talk page). Ray Talk 21:54, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * The Art of Problem Solving "AoPS", at , is arguably the hub of the community involved in pre-college mathematics competitions. In the AoPS community forums, the Princeton Math Competition is listed (and is its own category) among other well-known competitions and summer programs including the Harvard-MIT Mathematics Tournament, ARML, Mathcamp, and AwesomeMath. These organizations are all extremely well-known among high school math circles. While none of them get lots of local press (the media prefer covering sports achievements over academic achievements), I think it is still worthwhile to have the article on Wikipedia so that interested students can read about the competition. Sbchu (talk) 01:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a huge fan of deleting articles, rather recommending trying to figure out ways to improve the ones written. Math competitions focused on high school students don't get too much press, even if they are important. "AoPS" is one of the largest high school mathematics competition related forum, website, and resource in the world. Feel free to check it out. The community is very active there. I saw a recent post about PUMaC get over 1500 hits. Kebalken (talk) 00:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - Theer is no signficant coverage in independent reliable sources about this math competition. -- Whpq (talk) 17:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I would like to respectfully point out that high school math competitions overall, even if they are notable within the competition community, do not receive significant coverage in independent sources. Also, it seems that the PUMaC article offers many different kinds of sources to back up its claim of notability. Even though a forum can't possibly be seen as a great source, the Art of Problem Solving site and forum is an accredited, independent, and significant resource for high school math students. The fact that the site has dedicated an entire forum to the contest, in addition to the variety of other sources about PUMaC, should suffice. Kebalken (talk) 19:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It does not constitute a reliables source. -- Whpq (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, the forum is in itself not a reliable source. However, it offers a good context of the competition we are discussing for the admins not familiar with high school math competitions. I feel the other news sources, however small, various other mentions online, and the context of the forum should offer a pretty good picture of the notability of the competition. With regards. Kebalken (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * None of the current sourcing in the article is usable for establishing notability.
 * Blair is an education acadamy and not a reliable source for the purposes of establishing notability
 * NorthJersey.com is a reliable source, but the article is an event announcement and not coverage so it is not usable to establish notability.
 * A blog is not a reliable source
 * North Carolina State High School Math Contest is not a reliable source for the purposes of establishing notability
 * A blog is not a reliable source
 * A blog is not a reliable source
 * Basscom is not a reliable source for the purposes of establishing notability
 * This is a primary source
 * Whpq (talk) 20:48, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what you mean by "event announcement" versus "coverage." This local newspaper article seems to me like coverage of results of the event: . Sbchu (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Then I think we need to have better sources for the article. Please keep in mind that no matter how prestigious the math competition(even for USAMO, etc.), it is extremely rare that the source cover the math competition only. I see some articles online by reliable sources that aren't mentioned in the article, one by the Sofia News Agency: . Another one is that the Stony Brook University Center for Science and Mathematics Education lists the competition among notable math competitions . Again, thanks for the input. Kebalken (talk) 21:18, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I am also in favor of keeping on the grounds that even very prominent academic competitions for high school students attract very little press. FWIW, here is an article in a HS newspaper about the competition.  --JBL (talk) 17:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:49, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - Not notable. A nice student run organization otherwise. Malke 2010 (talk) 19:35, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * To update: PUMaC also falls under WikiProject Mathematics Competitions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics_Competitions. The project isn't too active. Kebalken (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of mathematics competitions J04n(talk page) 13:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.