Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priscilla Chan (Mark Zuckerberg)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. There is a very clear consensus that the subject is not independently notable enough for an article. Consequently, I am closing this discussion as resulting in deletion, because the editors in favor of a redirect do not indicate in their comments that there could be any reason for the edit history to remain visible. There is no consensus about whether there should then be a redirect from the title "Priscilla Chan (Mark Zuckerberg)" to Mark Zuckerberg (or whether a link from Priscilla Chan (disambiguation) is enough). That question, however, does not need to be answered here. If deemed necessary, anybody can create such a redirect, and anybody can then request its deletion at WP:RFD, which is where the appropriateness of that redirect can be discussed more extensively.  Sandstein  16:07, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Priscilla Chan (Mark Zuckerberg)

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Not notable, notability is not inherited. Speedy deletion tags have been removed by article creator 4 times. GregJackP  Boomer!   13:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - absolutely no claim to notability is present. --Onorem♠Dil 14:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - FYI, speedy delete was also declined, due to press coverage of marriage to Zuckerberg. There is no separate coverage of Chan, and since notability is not inherited, I brought it to AFD.   GregJackP   Boomer!   15:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is usually not inherited, and I don't think it has been inherited in this case. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP1E  Lugnuts  (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * clear Delete, not notable. At best this could be a redirect. Hairhorn (talk) 18:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Mark Zuckerberg Not notable, but people will look her up on WP. This way they'd reach helpful info. Boleyn (talk) 19:22, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Mark Zuckerberg. Plausible search term, probably satisfies the GNG, but per NOTINHERITED principles doesn't sustain an independent article. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I suppose I'm not against a redirect, but the current title is just silly. The disambiguation term is (Mark Zuckerberg)? Seriously? Put Priscilla Chan (singer) back at Priscilla Chan and add a hatnote to Priscilla Chan (not actually notable but married someone famous) some better title. --Onorem♠Dil 19:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I agree (Onorem). A redirect with such a name would indeed be implausible. -- WikHead (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. &#9733;&#9734;  DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 21:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete. Obvious vanity, article doesn't assert any kind of notability. The fact that someone might be notable enough to have their own article, doesn't make that person's girlfriend, sister, mother, father, teacher or neighbour notable (WP:NOTINHERITED). Josh Gorand (talk) 21:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Rename & Redirect- To Priscilla Chan Zuckerberg & Redirect as above; whether she takes his name or not, better than current disambiguation, and will be recognizable in search box. Once independent notability is achieved, title will resolve. Dru of Id (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:NOTINHERITED. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect - Not significant enough to have an independent article, but it's a reasonable search term. I would redirect to Mark Zuckerberg. Gnayshkr3020 (talk) 08:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect Not notable but it's reasonable for her to be mentioned in the article on her husband. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect; this is what we generally do to articles about nonnotable relatives of notable people. Nyttend (talk) 12:21, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Not notable enough, but maybe one day this will change. While closing, please take out the links from the Zuckerberg article. I had removed the ones to the disambiguation page before. Now there are new links to this article with a strange name. gidonb (talk) 14:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete this complicated term. A link from the disambig page to the personal relations of the husband is sufficient for now (changing from redirect). gidonb (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't keep this name: I don't think a redirect at this title follows our nomenclature. Better to have a redirect at Priscilla Chan Zuckerberg or just Priscilla Chan, and if either of those articles exist, hatnote to the related section in Mark's article  p  b  p  16:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Not notable enough to warrant an article, consider redirecting to page Mark Zuckerberg where relevance and notability are more even. -- Sleegi  [✆Talk]  17:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, DO NOT redirect, doesn't meet notability requirements, and no body's going to search the exact words "Priscilla Chan (Mark Zuckerberg)" to get information on specifically her. Furthermore, there are only two articles linking to this this article: a disambiguation page and Mark Zuckerburg, so there's no need for the redirect at all. Trinitresque (talk) 18:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mark Zuckerberg WP:NOTINHERITED, but people might look up "Priscilla Chan (physician)" or "Priscilla Chan Zuckerberg" (if Chan changes her name). For now, redirect "Priscilla Chan (physician)" to "Mark Zuckerberg#Personal life".  A hatnote should be placed at "Priscilla Chan" or "Priscilla Chan Wai-han" to direct people to "Mark Zuckerberg#Personal life".  Perhaps the info add at "Priscilla Chan" should be moved to "Priscilla Chan Wai-han".  Thoughts?  I also oppose speedy delete unless WP:SNOWBALL is invoked.--Jax 0677 (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete this name-space entirely per WP:NOTINHERITED, create redirects and a hatnote(s) (at Priscilla Chan) as indicated by User:Jax 0677 (above), and delete Priscilla Chan (disambiguation) as it will no longer be serving a useful purpose. -- WikHead (talk) 00:59, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, DO NOT redirect, agree exactly with Trinitresque above. I assume any wikipedia search for "Priscilla Chan" will also bring up Zuckerberg's entry anyway. 128.253.43.15 (talk) 03:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Inverse Hypercube  (talk) 06:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - She isn't notable on her own, redirect to Mark Zuckerberg is the best option. -Abhishikt (talk) 06:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete --Denysmonroe81 (talk) 14:48, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Notability is not inherited, but she will be searched relatively often. Vincent Moon (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - If notability is usually not inherited, then why is so much fussing over her? - Smmmaniruzzaman (talk) 19:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Because the term might be likely to be searched, we are having the discussion about whether or not have it redirect to Zuckerberg.--Jax 0677 (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect - millions on facebook are talking about it. shes appeared in numerous news feeds (like CNN, Washington Post, ABC News, Forbes to mention a few), thus i assume allot of people will try to check her up on wikipedia. This warrants a redirect IMO. Divinity76 (talk) 01:37, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep meets GNGLuciferWildCat (talk) 01:29, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep I would respectfully request that the article not be deleted. Ms. Chan is an emerging web personality and celebrity in her own right. Having been referenced in over 50 major newspaper articles and over 25 interviews, Ms. Chan is a topic which needs to be included in Wikipedia. In additional, Ms. Chan is a cultural treasure of both China and the U.S. and should be considered as a kind of "Royalty" in the U.S. Evan1261 (talk) 15:35, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no royalty in the US. It doesn't make you royal being married to someone who owns a website (which had its heyday in 2007) in the US or anywhere else. Josh Gorand (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete It must be deleted, otherwise all family members of each famous person will have a wiki page. She has not done anything that requires attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.26.64.37 (talk)
 * Keep — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.135.151 (talk) 15:17, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Mark. Right now, she is notable only for her wedding to Mark, which is a pretty classic case of inheritance and 1 event. She COULD become highly notable, but we cant predict the future here. Actually, after thinking it was horrible, i realized this isnt a bad search term, considering that the parenthesis doesnt have to be in the typed term to find it. I think having a collection of search terms to redirect to his article is fine, including Priscilla Chan (Facebook), Priscilla Chan Zuckerberg and Priscilla Zuckerberg (they dont have to be correct, just have to be strings people are likely to type. having a hatnote at the singer is fine too. absolutely no prejudice to recreating an article, though probably not at this article name.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:55, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - not independently notable for anything - as per Trinitresqueno, there is no added value to a redirect - You  really  can  20:58, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Looks like snow, can we delete this thing now? There is no assertion of notability of any kind in the article. Josh Gorand (talk) 22:26, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply I think that we should let the AfD run its course. I think that a tossup between Delete and Redirect should default to Redirect.  I have started a discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:No consensus--Jax 0677 (talk) 02:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I fail to see anything controversial about creating useful redirects once this article is deleted. -- WikHead (talk) 04:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Mark Zuckerberg's page. Right now the only thing notable about Priscilla is that she married Mark Zuckerberg; this is especially evident in that even the current title for the page has "Mark Zuckerberg" in it. It's still worthy of being in Mark Zuckerberg's page though because of 1) media coverage (there've been several mentions of her) and 2) immediate relevancy (a wife is one of one's closest family, on par with parents, children and siblings). If Wikipedia covers Mark Zuckerberg's personal life there's no reason to not include mention of Priscilla. Perfectly reasonable to search for "Priscilla Chan" too, especially given the media coverage, and it would be a shame to turn up nothing. Banedon (talk) 04:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Redirect This page is currently one of the top links on the Google News item on the marriage. We should redirect immediately (per Mercurywoodrose) to Mark Zuckerberg so that readers don't click on the link and find a poorly written article with a big unsightly notice at the top.  Can we take steps to avoid this kind of thing happening in the future?  --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 10:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.