Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prison handball


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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 23:56, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Prison handball

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Unreferenced for 11 years Rathfelder (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - A7. Looking at the American Handball article, under the existing Variations heading, there is a similar mention of school handball with a "citation needed" annotation. Most likely because it's easy to acknowledge that at some schools, children play a variation of American handball, but the actual method of play most likely varies from schoolyard to schoolyard (where it is played), just like prison handball rules would vary from prison to prison.  There would be no definitive set of rules or method of play that would define what school handball or prison handball actually is.  For example, the prison handball article in one place states, "Unlike in standard American rules, the ball is thrown directly to the wall, not requiring a bounce before service," only to contradict itself later by stating that in Texas, the ball must bounce on the ground first.  Is it really only in Texas prisons?  Is it all Texas prisons or just some of them?  How would anyone know without a single cited source?  The article is also riddled with usually, sometimes, and commonly, indicating that even the author is aware that there is no consistent way to describe the subject of the article.  Orville1974  (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't really think this meets the criteria for speedy deletion for reasons I mention below. I'd be interested to hear, however, why you think it meets A7, since I'm not especially familiar with speedy deletion. TheTechnician27 (talk) 04:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete For the reasons listed by Rathfelder and Orville1974. Ultimately I don't think it meets WP:ACSD or WP:GCSD; specifically, I feel that A7 isn't satisfied because the article claims it is a "popular sport" (regardless of this claim's accuracy). As an aside, I think handball in prisons could have a mention in American handball, even if the rules aren't different. For example, here's a good article I found on the subject. Likewise, here's another. TheTechnician27 (talk) 04:19, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - A7 can apply "if the claim of significance or importance given is not credible." For the reasons listed in my speedy delete recommendation above, I'm asserting that the claim isn't credible since the concept of prison handball as a "popular sport" can't even be described.  Orville1974  (talk) 06:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * So based on WP:CCOS, this ostensibly only applies to when the claim is "evidently false". That is to say that – with the exception of obvious hoaxes ("a claim so improbable that no one of sound mind would believe it") – it appears the burden of proof is placed on the editor citing A7, something which is basically infeasible with such a nebulous claim for such an obscure topic. I want to depart from being serious for a moment to say that this conversation is ridiculous, and this excerpt had me in stitches: "'Unlike in standard American rules, the ball is thrown directly to the wall, not requiring a bounce before service,' only to contradict itself later by stating that in Texas, the ball must bounce on the ground first. Is it really only in Texas prisons? Is it all Texas prisons or just some of them?" TheTechnician27 (talk) 07:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 09:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete-- lower important Anupam (talk) 19:41, 02 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect or Merge with American handball. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:15, 4 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.