Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prithvi Raj Bali


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The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 19:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Prithvi Raj Bali

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A junior army officer who won the Military Cross. Admirable, but very common during the world wars and certainly not notable enough for an article. Despite the article's assertion, many hundreds, if not thousands, of medical officers have been awarded the MC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  -- - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 14:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No indication of notability. I have spent a considerable amount of time searching, and have found no evidence whatsoever of any independent coverage beyond brief mentions. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No indication of notability. I have spent a considerable amount of time searching, and have found no evidence whatsoever of any independent coverage beyond brief mentions. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC) (striking through accidental duplication by Phantomsteve. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 18:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  —--  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me,  My Contribs ) 15:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know how many non-combatants received the Military Cross - A search for "Military Cross" 1939-1945 Recommendations for Honours and Awards (Army) (which covers combatants and non-combatants) showed 10,719 documents found - it only shows the first 1000, and having just spent however long looking through all 1000 of those shown, I found here: + ** 2 French Army Medical Services/Corps and I only found 1 non-European/non-American/non-Canadian recipient (which was to someone from the Indian Army - a combatant). If we say that the 1000 I looked at were representative, that means that there were perhaps 320-400 non-combatant MCs awarded, of which about 120-130 would be for Field Ambulances. Perhaps (again, assuming that the 1000 I looked at were representative), there were only about 10-20 awarded to Indian Army combatants, and probably only a handful to Indian non-combatants - so with the slight re-wording which I have made to the article (one of very rare cases of an Indian non-combatant being conferred a gallantry award), this would be more accurate. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 15:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 5 Royal Army Chaplain's Department
 * 9 Royal Army Medical Corps
 * 9 Royal Army Medical Corps Field Ambulance
 * 2 Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps
 * 3 Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps Field Ambulance
 * Total: 30 non-combatants (12 Field Ambulance), 970 combatants.


 * Delete (regretfully) as per nom. Noble is not the same as notable. I could find no sources of information other than wiki items. Sespite the fact that he would have been one of only a handful of Indian non-combatants who received the MC, unless sources can be found by members of WikiProject India or WikiProject Military, he would fail the notability test. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me,  My Contribs ) 15:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Only verifiable info is the Military Cross, and it doesn't appear to be something significant. I however found a couple of Gbooks hits about a legal case by a Prithvi Raj Bali, not sure if it's the same person (case was in 1957), but if it is, there are a couple of online Gbooks hits, and it might assist in showing notability. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 17:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I came across the same cases, but was unable to ascertain if it was the same person. When I have more time online (at the beginning of next week), I may look into this more. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 19:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. The National Archives lists 35 MC recommendations for the Indian Medical Service during World War II. One of 35 is not sufficient to reach the notability threshold. It also, incidentally, lists 279 for the Royal Army Medical Corps, 3 for the Army Dental Corps, 62 for the Royal Army Chaplains' Department, 30 for the Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps, and 4 for the Australian Army Medical Corps. You can guarantee that several times that number would have been won in the First World War, in which decorations were more commonly given. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:55, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The award makes the subject borderline notable, but the lack of any other available sources means that we have nothing more to write. So the award is best mentioned in some list article; if such an article does not already exist it can be created. Abecedare (talk) 00:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: needs more sourcing to prove notability. A Military Cross could help with notability, but by itself it would not be enough in my opinion. We have consistently deleted subjects who are recipients of Silver Stars, which I believe are roughly equivalent (obviously from different honours systems). As a result more claims to notability need to exist. For example if he were an MC recipient as well as receiving a number of civilian awards, or if he received a lot of coverage in secondary sources or his exploits were recounted in a notable movie, etc (again though, even a Silver Star recipient who was portrayed in a major Hollywood film did not survive AFD). However, at the moment there is nothing other than the MC mentioned in the article. Of course, all this sounds very harsh and I assure you I mean no disrespect to the man as he clearly did something to earn the award which deserves respect, however, it does not satisfy the perhaps slightly skewed "notability" standards in Wikiland per WP:BIO and WP:N. — AustralianRupert (talk) 06:36, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
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