Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Privateering Tour


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Privateering (album). Going with a redirect as suggested by User:Schazjmd as an WP:ATD. Missvain (talk) 23:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Privateering Tour

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Does not appear to meet WP:NTOUR. Contested redirect. – bradv  🍁  14:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: I object to the deletion of the article since it can be improved by editors. I also believe the concert is notable according to community standards. - 83.85.103.18 (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: I also object, for the reasons already stated. Let's find some more sources. YouCanDoBetter (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: Non-notable, undersourced concert tour fails both WP:GNG and WP:CONCERT TOUR that has been tagged as needing additional references for six years. I was the one who added the additional sources template six years ago and the one who redirected the article to the singer two months ago. In that six year span, the article had seven edits, all of which were copy editing and no additional sources were added. Per WP:BEFORE, I found no additional references and redirected the article to the singer. In the article there is one note, four citations and four external links. The note references one of the citations that is the singer's website. The four citations include two links to the singer's website, a lot of references to setlist.fm, which does not prove notability, and one review from Financial Times about the London show, but is behind a paywall. The four external links include the singer's website, one of the musician's website, and two Youtube videos. In total, there is possibly one good source in the bunch and a lot of first party sources. With edit summaries of "Tour is notable", "too valuable to delete", and "citations are possible, please do not delete the information this article contains, but edit it appropriately instead" and the Keep vote above, the IP address has added no additional references or describes how the article passes any notability standards. Aspects (talk) 02:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I can understand how this tour might seem not noteworthy to an American, for the same reason other articles regarding Mark Knopfler (and Dire Straits) tours have been redirected, among which the one about his first (definitely noteworthy) and the second (the most successful one) solo tour, other than one about a tour in 2012 with Bob Dylan and the article about his most recent one (if the latter were more noteworthy than the other tours is at the least debatable, the 'Tracker Tour' lemma and the one about the 2011 tour with Dylan regrettably have been deleted already, again for the same reason), but I can assure you that this tour is a lot more noteworthy for a lot of Europeans than for instance Michael Jackson's 'Bad Tour', the example given as 'noteworthy' according to community standards. The references you are looking for (news articles, announcements, reviews, recordings, sufficiently verified setlists) are probably available on websites (and in print, other than recordings) in languages you don't understand. This is no reason to delete the valuable information the article contains. Other editors should be given a sustained opportunity to improve the article if necessary. 83.85.103.18 (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because you think something is notable, does not mean it is. On Wikipedia, articles have to have reliable sources to verify notability. Editors have had six years with the article being tagged as needing additional sources and even you have provided no additional sources. Nothing in your vote or comment shows how the article passes WP:GNG or WP:CONCERT TOUR. Aspects (talk) 02:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep (possibly as redirect) : I would like to add that the previous situation was that the article was redirected to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Knopfler; this seems less harmful as completely deleting it, as it does give future editors the sought for sustained opportunity to improve it, if necessary. 83.85.103.18 (talk) 13:57, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirecting to Mark Knopfler is a perfectly reasonable solution, imo. – bradv  🍁  14:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * (Striking out third attempt by IP address to vote. Aspects (talk) 22:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC))


 * Restore Redirect to artist Privateering (album). Although I personally think anything Knopfler does is notable, I failed at finding any reliable sources to show that the tour meets WP:CONCERT TOUR or WP:GNG. Schazjmd   (talk)  15:21, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.