Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prix Versailles


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. If the history is needed for any related investigations, any en-wiki admin can look at the deleted edits and/or temporarily revive the page(s) as needed. RL0919 (talk) 21:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Prix Versailles

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Here we have a set of multiple articles created by a small group of editors. Those editors have been blocked by checkusers here on en.wiki and also on fr.wiki, following this COIN discussion. Because of the sustained promotion, the notability is a bit difficult to determine. When I look around for sources the only type I see are a) the recipients saying "hey, we got a prize or got nominated", and b) some good sources reporting the winners or nominations. A large part of the reporting seems to stem from the promotional efforts of the organization, which is the same story as this wiki page. I can't find much of anything independent about the prize or the organization giving it (for example a source that does not look like it is parroting a press release), beyond the fact that it was founded in 2015 in Versailles by one person. Additional prix-related pages attached to this AfD include:

Finally, some sources report that the prize was founded by UNESCO, but there is no published record of this that I could find; UNESCO lends them a hall where they give the prize. --- Possibly &#9742; 20:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.   --- Possibly &#9742; 20:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Self-promotion. (Heroeswithmetaphors)   talk  03:24, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Large scale use of Wikipedia as a tool for self-promotion. Analysis of the sources available show little to no reliable sources of a significant length focused on the subject. But on fr-wp we found an architectural source stating (translation by me) it's "a prize to promote the organizers", "In short, professional projects recovered for an amateur price." All is said. Jules* (talk) 09:50, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not disputing your first two points, but I have to heavily question the reliability of your link. That article doesn't seem to provide any serious arguments to back up its assertions, nor any indication that this opinion is widely held by the architecture community. A major part of the leading, bold paragraph focuses on nationality ("Pas un Français lauréat ! Sauf l’organisateur du prix bien sûr, lequel, bien entendu, laisse à désirer. [Translation following Google: Not a single French winner! Except the organizer of the prize of course, which, of course, leaves much to be desired.]") which seems to me a complete non-sequitur. And the website appeared to have no qualms trumpeting the recognition by the Prix of a number of French projects, architects, and firms back in 2019. They even dedicated a section in their newsletter to these pieces. One has to wonder what caused such a dramatic turnaround of opinion. 73.206.250.31 (talk) 01:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure of the reliabily of this source either, @73.206.250.31, to be honnest. It just seemed a bit more serious than the others, so the fact it was in fact criticizing the prize seemed funny to me. —  Jules*  Talk 14:31, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete : large self-promotion on many Wikipedia. --Arroser (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:46, 25 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete: Self promotional article. TheDreamBoat (talk) 04:22, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I would like to take this discussion to inform you that there is another similar case being discussed here. It would be very good to have the support of the local community to investigate this case further. J  talk 09:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Neutral comment This nomination has nothing to do with a completely unrelated Brazilian awards ceremony in another language, and can be considered canvassing.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:33, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete No encyclopedic interest.   scope_creep Talk  10:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom, WP:PROMO the encyclopedia should not be used for advertising, self-promotion, marketing or public relations WP:NOT. Netherzone (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Is there any way we could add something about Prix Versailles to vanity award? Edwardx (talk) 21:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Edwardx that would need a reliable source clearly stating that Prix Versailles is a vanity award. TSventon (talk) 13:45, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Following up Prix Versailles is continuing across sixteen wikipedias, see this meta discussion. Pinging GeneralNotability, is there a way to keep the history accessible while investigation is ongoing. TSventon (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.