Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pro-American sentiment

Time for another Afd?!
The fact that this article claims former residents of communist or former communist countries are grateful to american is ridiculous! anyone who has been to Russia, North Korea or China, will have been overwhelmed by the bitterness felt towards america! this article is just an american patriot's attempt to "get an article that can make us look good" anyone who disagrees should post reply very soon or I will list for deletion--Frogsprog 14:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Unencylopedic

 * UNFOUNDED statements like "Many Europeans are still grateful to the United States and other allied forces for their participation in World War II and the sacrifice of so many American lives in defeating Fascism in Europe", "Political representatives in many European countries are in favor of close ties with the USA" and "working and lower classes in industrialized countries tend to be more pro-American" are not in any way encyclopedic!!--Frogsprog 14:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Pro-American sentiment
No real content; just a poorly written attempt to counteract the Anti-American sentiment article. No evidence is offered for highly POV statements like 'Europeans in general are still grateful to the United States for its participation in World War II and the sacrifice of so many American lives in defeating Fascism in Europe.' Deus Ex


 * No point listing this here. The immense weight of Americans will ensure it stays. Chameleon 19:41, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes. Because all Americans are jingoistic idiots.  Thank you for your enlightened contribution. Meelar 23:18, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's not my fault that most are. Anyway, as far as this debate goes, I have been fortunately proved wrong so far.  So Delete.
 * Delete it. All the NPOV content that article could contain is already providing balance in the Anti-American sentiment article. - jredmond 19:55, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not every page needs the creation of its opposite. &mdash;Morven 20:59, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Anti-American sentiment does a good job on this. Lord Bob 21:10, May 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, everything worthwhile in this article is already at Anti-American sentiment. DO'Neil 21:23, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I fully expected to vote delete until I actually carefully read the entire "anti" article. While it has enuf rebuttal/commentary to be quite admirably NPOV, it really does not include many positive views of the US. (In other words, I strongly disagree with "All the NPOV content that article could contain is already providing balance in the Anti-American sentiment article.") Especially given how many people around the world are willing to risk their lives, and/or give up all their wealth/belongings to immigrate to the US, I believe there are sufficient "pro" facts/beliefs/attitudes/whatever to warrant a separate article. (The current content does need some NPOV help, however.) Also, FWIW, I actually very much agree with many of the criticisms of the US (war on drugs, unilateralism, ignoring PRC genocide in Tibet, overly pampering Israel, not signing landmine treaty, environmental damage, sexual hypocrisy, overly restrictive copyright enforcement, privacy violations, "God" on currency and in pledge, death penalty, past direct meddling in other nations governments, etc.). Niteowlneils 22:13, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * When I said "All the NPOV content that article could contain..." etc., I meant that all the existing NPOV content in the Pro-American sentiment article is already in Anti-American sentiment; that is, when one removes the heavy-handed POV from the Pro- article, what little is left is already in the Anti- article. - jredmond 04:57, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * And I still disagree. The anti- article doesn't (and probably shouldn't) mention the Marshall Plan, the fact that Europeans to this day officially express gratitude for US help in WW2, the space program, the fact that people from eastern Europe specifically cite the US as a factor in the fall of the Soviet Union, and so on. Or should the Marshall Plan article, etc. be removed as POV? Niteowlneils 14:38, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Everyking 22:54, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, until it has had a fair chance at being improved. Or merge with the Anti into Attitudes toward the United States, which is probably a poor idea. The idea that specifically pro-American sentiment is not real enough to be encyclopedic is one that's hard to ascribe to sheer ignorance. Skeptics might read Jean-Francois Revel's recent best seller (in France) on the anti-American obsession; it's so pro-American as to be useless. But the article as it stands definitely isn't good enough. Dandrake 00:44, May 22, 2004 (UTC)
 * I have mixed feelings about this one. It is non-encyclopedic in that it does not anywhere define the topic or describe the sentiments.  It appears to be part of an on-going debate with the article on Anti American Sentiment   On the other hand it does provide a lot of links with other good articles on the subject.   Send it to Clean Up maybe.   ping 08:05, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * The link to Canada is particularly funny. Delete for POViness and Non-encyclopediness. MvHG 08:37, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Awww! Muriel said what I was going to say! D3L3tifiK473. Denni 04:06, 2004 May 23 (UTC)
 * Delete. RadicalSubversiv E 12:13, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's crap. And whats this about the sun expanding to consume earth? --Starx 04:23, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Pure POV and propaganda. There could be an encyclopedic article on this, but this article isn't it and isn't likely to evolve into it. It's just a long pure POV assertion that there Pro-American sentiment exists, and I think it is intended to suggest that the amount outweights the anti. Dpbsmith 21:30, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - POV that cannot be saved - T&#949;x &#964; ur&#949; 02:51, 24 May 2004 (UTC)

Funny how there can be so much anti-American material here on Wikipedia, but heaven forfend there be anything good to say about the US. RickK 02:54, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, RickK, if it was good, that might actually be another thing. But it is MacDonald's for the mind. Denni 07:29, 2004 May 24 (UTC)


 * Delete. These kinds of debate forum articles (that means you too, Anti-American sentiment) just aren't useful to anyone. Nathan 09:52, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Valid article topic & title, methinks. &#9999; Sverdrup 15:51, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

It's inevitable that this article isn't going to be NPOV, but then again, Anti-American sentiment isn't either. Wikipedia would fail in its efforts at NPOV if it deleted this one while leaving Anti-Americanism intact. There seem to be four just options: My take is that either the second or the third option is the best one. The articles are natural and useful, so they shouldn't both just be deleted. --Atemperman 02:52, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep it, more or less as it is, and endure a not-quite-out-in-the-open debate between the two articles.
 * Incorporate it into a section in the Anti-Americanism article called "Arguments against Anti-Americanism" or "Responses to Anti-Americanism". It's hardly fair that there's no substantive section for the opposing view in the Anti-Americanism article, while there is for articles such as American exceptionalism.
 * Merge both articles into an Attitudes toward the United States of America article.
 * Delete both articles as unencyclopaedic.

To sum it up there were 13 votes to delete, 2 that seem to support deletion, 1 suggestion to merge into another article, one undecided, 4 keep votes and one comment that seems to support keeping. Altogether a clear decision to delete but it still has not been done. I think Atemperman made a good suggestion. Get-back-world-respect 03:38, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Original Discussion (at creation)
This is such a stupid article. It only exists because some Yanks didn't like the existence of Anti-American sentiment, and so created this childish counter-article.

It contains no real content whatsoever, and deserves to be deleted. However, there is no point listing it on VfD because, being an American website, Wikipedia will always be full of dickheads who support this sort of article.

So, it looks like people are just going to have to trim it of Yankee national mental masturbation every now and then. —Chameleon 18:11, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
 * Watch your language, Chameleon. If people from the US feel offended by the anti-American sentiment article could they please express their reasons at that article's discussion? Get-back-world-respect 03:02, 30 May 2004 (UTC)