Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pro-Italian Maltese


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 18:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Pro-Italian Maltese

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The article, mostly penned by the many sockpuppets of Maltesemizzi or Maltitalia or whatever, mixes the actual history of Malta with revisionism, especially when it deals with the "anglicanisation" of the island. It overstates the influence of the fascist movement of Malta, when no evidence is provided that it ever involved more than a handful of people. Most of the article is unsourced, the only referenced part is a rambling section about the use of the Italian language in Malta and cultural similarities with Sicily. In fact, the only reference which is even slightly on topic, is about the rivarly between Maltese supporters of the Italian and English football teams. Verified, sourced assertions on the cultural, political and economic links between Malta and Italy can be discussed in Italy-Malta relations until they're big enough to warrant their own article. I'd reccomend redirecting, stubifying or deleting the current version of the article.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 06:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC) Ultimate Destiny (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * comment. Italy-Malta relations are for relations between nations. Domestic Maltese nationalists of Italian (or any other) variety belong there only tangentially. The real issue is whether Italian nationalism/irredentism in Malta ever was significant enough, in which case it warrants an article (quite likely under a different name). A brief scan of googlebooks shows it existed historically, but it will take a broader consensus to decide on its significance. NVO (talk) 10:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * We could create an article about Italian irredentism in Malta, but it would have to be written from scratch, because Pro-Italian Maltese has very little on the matter.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 10:39, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. I find the article well done and referenced. The original name, IMHO, is the best suited for the article: Maltese Italians. I have done a scan of googlebooks and I have found that the Maltese Italians "existed historically", as stated even by NVO. They have even their "martyr": Carmelo Borg Pisani, who got a medal of honor from the King of Italy. Definitively the article cannot be deleted. It would be like to delete Dalmatian Italians or Banat Germans only because Dalmatian Croats or Banat Serbs hate them.--Mrs.Maria (talk) 00:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: "Mrs.Maria" is the "wife" of blocked sockpuppeteer Brunodam, the creator of this article.--Ultimate Destiny (talk) 13:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * comment. I have read this article and consequently I think Pro-Italian Maltese has all the references and information needed. I support the article, may be with some improvements but for me it is OK even as it is now, and agree with NVO and Mrs.Maria that the article cannot be deleted.--RinRicky (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, RinRicky's argument is invalid: the document he provided, from the linguistics department of the Technische Universität Chemnitz is about the use of English in Malta. Also, RinRicky apparently joined WP just to take part in this discussion, particularly suspect given the history of sockpuppetry in the afd'd article.--Nero the second (talk) 17:25, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry to disagree with you, but I believe it is valid. Indeed in p. 3 there are references to the Pro-Italians groups, according to "retired" user:Maltalia. Here it is an excerpt "... Whereas pro-Italian ”nationalists„ [Italian in Malta was linked with the idea of nationality although the Maltese nationalists generally did not favor uniting Malta with Italy...". --Mrs.Maria (talk) 01:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, a bad attempt by a sockpuppet to push his POV.--Iwillremembermypassthistime (talk) 00:47, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ultimate.--Underlying lk (talk) 05:59, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete before i retired from active editing, I had attempted to solve the many issues of these article, and like me many more editors, but the many sockpuppet involved (as one cans ee from the exaples above) always made it impossible. The best solution is the re-creation of an article about the Italian irredentism in Malta, deleting this shabby piece of work.Le Petit Modificateur Laborieux (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.