Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Problems with concussions in high school athletes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 18:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Problems with concussions in high school athletes

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Article is written like an essay, but has given citations. Would require a lot of work to clean up to encyclopedia standards. Osarius - Want a chat? 19:56, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Blow it up and start over. Too notable of a topic to just destroy. It may need a rename too, though. Mr. Guye (talk) 21:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:45, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment: In case of a rename, I would propose Concussions in high school sports to mirror Concussions in American football and Concussions in sports. I do agree that the topic is notable, but the article can either be deleted without prejudice to re-creation, or kept and heavily rewritten. --Gccwang (talk) 08:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC) 
 * Keep but move to Concussions in high school sports as suggested. It needs clean-up, but not expert attention, and is not so bad as to invoke WP:TNT. Bearian (talk) 21:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  22:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per comments and caveats above -- article needs a better title and complete re-working for a coherent narrative. This is a notable topic in contact sports per the general notability guidelines of WP:GNG (a lot of ink has been spilled in the United States on this topic in the last decade), and Wikipedia should have a well-written and well-sourced summary article on the subject.  If someone wants to take a rewrite on as a personal project post-AfD, I would be happy to volunteer some of by editing time in that effort.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 00:58, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete; we already have articles such as Concussions in sport and Sports-related traumatic brain injury, and Concussions in American football. Is there any reason we need an article specifically focused on high school athletics?  How distinct is the issue of brain injuries to high school students as compared to similar injury to pre-high school youths, college athletes, pro athletes, or other adults who play sports? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * JW, I think there are different issues among high school, college, and professional contact sports, starting with long-term degenerative brain effects more prevalent among long-time American pro football players. The 14 to 18-year-olds are more prone to immediate death and permanent disability -- I think the number I saw earlier today was 50+ high school football players have died during a game or as a result of a game in the last decade.  That's not what the pros are experiencing; they are bigger and stronger, and better able to sustain the physical stresses (at least in the short run).  I can't remember the last pro football player who died as a result of game-related injuries.  Certainly the injury statistics are going to be different across the three age groups.  As these articles are presently structured, there is obviously significant subject matter overlap, but that should not stop a small group of interested editors from re-balancing the subject matter of them to more specifically target the high school, college and professional athlete age demographics.  Personally, I think that would be worthwhile.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 11:54, 20 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.