Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prof. Dr. Hameed Mohammed Yahya Aklan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Making it explicit that a ¨keep¨ close in this case is not an endorsement of the current or previous contents of the article. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:43, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Hameed Mohammed Yahya Aklan

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Professor notable only as the rector of University of Science and Technology, Sana'a. WP:BLP1E applies, and the existing article is blatantly promotional. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Yemen-related deletion discussions.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:02, 13 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article is unsourced, poorly written, blatantly promotional (and as stated by WikiDan61) and there is no evidence whatsoever for the subject being notable. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 18:57, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. As head of what appears to be a new but medium-to-large private university (around 13k students and 270 faculty according to web searches), he probably passes WP:PROF. But the article needs severe trimming back to what can be properly sourced. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment It is not clear that the University of Science and Technology, Sana'a yet meets the criterion of "major university", but even if we grant that it does, nothing else in this biography qualifies as anything but blatant promotion, and the best result in this case would be a redirect to the university page. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:15, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * According to this and this this is the top ranked university in Yemen. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:14, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete BLP1E definitely applies in this case, as I have seen no indications of the subject's notability that is not related to Sana'a.--SamHolt6 (talk) 21:24, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Being rector of a university for 8 years is not an event, so BLP1E defiantly, and even definitely, does not apply. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 09:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * By definition, events have a duration, in this case 8 years. I take his tenure at Sana'a to be a single event unless he is shown to have done something notable during said time.--SamHolt6 (talk) 19:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That's a very strange definition of the word "event", and not the one intended by WP:BLP1E or used in its interpretation at AfD. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 08:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Regardless of your definition, my point still stands. The article subject has done one thing, occupy a post for a period of 8 years, and nothing else of measurable notability has been found in nearly a week (as seen through the comments below).--SamHolt6 (talk) 06:29, 20 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:PROF as president of Yemen's top rated university. I've made a quick start on toning down the promotional language but more is probably needed. The article will also need moving to eliminate the "Prof. Dr." (that has been done now 12:36, 16 October 2017 (UTC)) : even Jesus and Muhammad don't get honorifics in their article titles. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 08:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep as we've always accepted these subjects given the position. SwisterTwister   talk  03:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per . Spam has no place on Wikipedia and even when cleaned up the article would just be a resume.  Having a particular job in itself does not confer notability.    Dr Strauss   talk   13:21, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That (your last sentence) might be your opinion but it is not what the consensus-agreed WP:PROF guideline says, as you know full well from your recent attempt to change it. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 16:16, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Wrong. clear consensus that no subject-specific notability guideline ... is a replacement for or supercedes the General Notability Guideline — Village pump (policy)/Archive 135, June 2017   Dr Strauss   talk   18:47, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * And, as you know full well as the proposer, this consensus, from a discussion advertised with a central notice, was reached just this month. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:52, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * And that consensus is more important because...?   Dr Strauss   talk   19:00, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Because it was about the specific issue of WP:PROF, because it was centrally advertised and because it was reached just 11 days ago. And I would have thought that you would consider the outcome of a discussion that you started yourself important. If not then why start the discussion in the first place? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:30, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * That doesn't invalidate the consensus on SNGs in general.   Dr Strauss   talk   18:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It clearly validates the position that WP:PROF is an alternative to WP:GNG, rather than subordinate to it. That you didn't get the outcome you wanted doesn't make it any less of a current consensus. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:34, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Alternative to in that it can incorrectly be substituted for GNG.    Dr Strauss   talk   22:18, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as rector of University of Science and Technology, Sana'a, meeting WP:PROF. If the article is kept, I'd volunteer to remove the promotional language. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Keep in mind that WP:PROF states: "An article's assertion that the subject passes this guideline is not sufficient. Every topic on Wikipedia must have sources that comply with Verifiability." The present article is woefully undersourced. The only verifiable fact we have about Aklan is that is is the rector of an institution. Based on this, I believe a redirect to the institution's page is the best result. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * But the article doesn't just assert that the subject holds this position: it has a reliable source verifying it. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:30, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have said that we can verify that Aklan is rector of the institute. (Although even that fact is sourced to a primary source, the university's own website.) But there is no evidence that Aklan has received any significant coverage elsewhere from which we can verify the rest of the facts of his biography. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:19, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * But the quote that you gave from WP:PROF is about verifying that the subject passes the guideline, not about verifying other more trivial details. And what more reliable source than the university itself is there to verify that he is president? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * You're missing my point. Yes, we can 100% verify that he is the president of a university. We can 0% verify anything else about him. So, we are left with an article that says:
 * Aklan is president of the University of Science and Technology, Sana'a.
 * When we have so little verifiable information to impart about a subject, the common practice is to simply redirect the subject's page to the page about that thing for which he is notable (in this case, redirect to the page about the university). WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:17, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as passes WP:PROF – this discussion resulted in a clear consensus to not change the guideline. As that was the single most recent consensus on the PROF–GNG relationship, I feel obliged to go with the result of that discussion: A clear consensus not to change PROF, not compling with other guidelines. Although it probably wouldn't have been so clear if the discussion was placed at the village pump, but that's outside the point.  J 947 ( c ) (m)   20:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * keep Demonstrated to pass WP:NPROF. L3X1 (distænt write)  00:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep passes WP:NPROF and previous consensus for this policy has not been changed Atlantic306 (talk) 19:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Being head of a university is notable by WP:PROF. The GNG is not relevant if WP:PROF is met. Verifiability is of course necessary, but the only thing that needs to be verifiedis that he holds the position. DGG ( talk ) 00:16, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


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