Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professional Inline Hockey Association


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Irbisgreif (talk) 03:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Professional Inline Hockey Association

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Although this article looks credible because of the word "professional", I have found the only external links that make this page legitimate are the websites own. ESPN nor any other major media outlet carry any information regarding this self proclaimed professional team. Furthermore, all of the links on the page that do lead somewhere either lead to a small description of a team that should be speedily deleted, or something about roller hockey in general. I doubt that there is any professional in this team other than where the teams assert themselves.keystoneridin! (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  -- ( X!  ·  talk )  · @307  · 06:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Abstain (leaning towards very weak keep). I think you may want to contact some of the editors involved in building the article. If this one goes, then there will be a ton of others that go, too. In a very brief search, I found a mention of the PIHA by the NCAA. Location (talk) 06:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment-The article you listed only has one instance of PIHA and the mentioning is on a side note at that.keystoneridin! (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You commented that you couldn't find any ELs independent of the subject, so I provided you with one. Plenty of sports, professional or otherwise, are not covered on ESPN or other major networks. Personally, the question for me is not whether they are truly professional or not (here is link indicating that it is a semi-pro league), but rather does the subject/article meet Wiki policy. Although the lack of citations is a big concern for me, there appears to be some local coverage in places where these teams play: .Location (talk) 18:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment- Once again, you have listed articles with very little relevance to this AFD. I find it amusing that one keyword hit on this page and you think the PIHA is a valid organization. I read that article and in a nutshell, it spoke of how the players ARE NOT PAID but receive free jerseys. You have now made a case that this entire league fails WP:SPORTS.keystoneridin! (talk) 21:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:SPORTS links to WikiProject Sports - there are no notability guidelines there. The notability essay you seem to be referencing is Notability (sports), which never developed a consensus when it was active and never touched on the notability of amateur or sem-pro leagues or organizations. There is no guideline there or elsewhere that amateur or semi-pro leagues or organizations must be excluded. What I find amusing is that you're getting your undies in a bunch given that I've indicated "abstain". Yes, I think the PIHA is a valid organization in the sense that it does actually exist. (Are you suggesting that it is a hoax?!) On the other hand, I'm not yet conviced it is notable per Wiki policy and guidelines. The links above do not mirror Wiki and they have relevance to the discussion by showing that the league is for real and that it does have at least some local media coverage. Is that enough to make it notable by Wiki standards, I don't know but at least I did a little bit of research to help the discussion. If consensus is that it is not notable by Wiki standards, then it should not be in Wikipedia and that will be fine by me. Location (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment- Although it would seem that I am getting uptight about this AFD, I am not. I did reference the wrong page, my apologies. What I was referring to was the consensus that semi-professional teams are not considered professional. Either way, I know of many different places where these teams exist. The PIHA has a team in my town where I could if I wanted to(in which case I have NO plans on ever attending)attend a game. There is little to no coverage at the local media, and even less at the national level. A team that is of the large nature as this article says it is should have a larger coverage. The only reason I could see this article being kept around is for historical purposes, just like the other former inline hockey leagues.keystoneridin! (talk) 00:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - the league has received coverage in multiple reliable sources (see http://news.google.com/archivesearch?um=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Professional+Inline+Hockey+Association%22&cf=all) which is the only consensus guideline available to judge it on. Certainly leagues to not have to be fully professional or even semi-professional to be notable. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. Notability isn't temporary. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep 57 Google News sources, some of which are non-trivial. Concerns about the organization being rinky-dink can be mentioned in the article. Abductive  (reasoning) 02:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


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