Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Professional mastermind network service


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Professional mastermind network service

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Spam disguised as neologism. We already have articles about Napoleon Hill and Think and Grow Rich. &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:55, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The article for Professional mastermind network service is not another page about Napoleon Hill the author of Think and Grow Rich. The article sets out to distinguish and help netcitizens learn the variations between a social network service, professional network service, and professional mastermind network service. The "Mastermind Principle"Italic text as setout in the article about Hill's book "Think & Grown Rich". It is a great biography of Mr Hill and links to other articles and his life long mentor Andrew Carnegie. The unique difference between Hills article and this article Hills article is an biography it does'nt educate wikipedians on the emergance of a new catagory of mastermind network service ofprofessional network service or social network service . - Danholmesdxb (talk) 11:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Article seems to mostly be on the book "Think and Grow Rich", not its title. It has no real references on the title and the infobox seems to be spam for a website. References used do not meet WP:RS in many cases (refs are to Wikipedia articles in some cases). A Google search on "Professional mastermind network service" reveals only this article. I see no chance of this being saved, delete it. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 02:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * sources What is PERFECT NETWORKER? ,Search results for ‘Mastermind’ on Ning see google for mastermind groups and how they're using such network services. Danholmesdxb (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you search the exact phrase (in quotation marks) "Professional mastermind network service" on Google, you find nothing except the Wikipedia article. This phrase is a neologism and not notable. Furthermore, the infobox links to the website of someone (Dan Holmes) whose name matches the article creator's user name, so this has major WP:SPAM and conflict of interest issues as well. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Preferred term seems to be Professional network service and this article already exists. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 14:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The articles terminology as it is being used is trying to establish one clear major differance from Professional network service - in contrast a mastermind network service is not a business contact or Professional social network. A mastermind network service members work in close nit groups of well established personal relationships within each private mastermind network group. This sets a Professional mastermind network apart from other such services - the benefits are clearly different for its members. Maybe a article name change move to Mastermind network service is needed? Ideas, Thanks Danholmesdxb (talk) 23:36, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read the criteria on notability: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. I do not find any such coverage in reliable sources (like news articles) that are independent of the subject (so a website from a firm that bills itself as such is not independent). Finally since you seem to be the owner of the website linked ion the infobox, you have a serious conflict of interest and should not be writing this article, even if it were notable. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 16:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * delete...as per Editor:Ruhrfisch above and my comments below. --Buster7 (talk) 02:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


 * See Discussion page is the only purpose here now only to delete? That's why there are discussion pages I guess and for Wikipedians to copyedit together if they so want too in the free encyclopedia. Cleanup & helpme have been used and change have been made, further work still to be done with time. Danholmesdxb (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why it is called "articles for deletion" - delete, keep, and merge are about the only options here. I looked at all 7 references. One is about brainstorming, six are either about Napoleon Hill or his book "Think and Grow Rich" (including three sepearte refs to the book itself in various editions). None of them mentions the title of this article by name. As noted (repeatedly) we have articles on Mr. Hill and his book and brainstorming already. If your business takes off (and I hope it does) in a few years there will be lots of independent third-party sources on this. Until then, it is not notable, you have a major conflict of interest and the article should be deleted. Wikipedia is not advertising for internet start ups - see WP:NOT Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:14, 9February2009(UTC)


 * I also have made efforts to improve this article but it was under the assumption that PMNS's actually existed. Now I'm not so sure. Currently, my belief is that this article is being created under false pretences. No amount of referencing to obtusely connected sites will "pass the mustard". I suggest that this article be deleted until such a time as it is notable enough for Wikipedia--Also...your contributions show only involvment with this article and others pertaining ONLY to it. That seems to confirm a conflict of interest.Buster7 (talk) 20:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I wonder...
Is their such a thing as PMNS (Pro MM netwrk Service)? Or is this just an army of one?? Have we been duped??? Is this an attempt to gain notariety prior to realtime existence????--Buster7 (talk) 14:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree 100%. The main author of the article is Danholmesdxb or Dan Holmes, with DXB being the airport code for Dubai. The founder and sole member of the imindlive website / PMMNS linked in the inforbox is Dan Holmes and the company is in Dubai. Under what is a PMMNS on that website the first link is to this article on Wikipedia. Quack! Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 20:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.