Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Project home 2010


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The result was speedy delete, G11 (blatant advertising). Author blocked as a spam-only account. Blueboy96 19:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Project home 2010

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This article as a patent hoax. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as obvious hoax. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  17:54, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Project Home 2010 is a private research program think tank experiment, and is legitimate. The company funding the project is out of Australia and the laboratory is located in Connecticut USA. The preceding unsigned comment was added by
 * The credibility of the project is highly suspect. It is unlikely any corporation would invest its future in two 12 year old students, no matter what level of promise they showed.  The project's homepage on Angelfire looks like it WAS developed by a twelve year old.  And the only other links I can find in Google are by the two alleged members of the project attempting to link their research into established physics forums, where they have been summarily laughed off. I am going to copy this discussion to the main page, which is where the AfD debate should occur. The above discussion has been copied from the discussion page.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Project_home_2010" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.54.137 (talk) 02:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Impressive in its hoaxaliciousness, but lacking in verifiability. Edison (talk) 19:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: Even if it's not a hoax, it seems unlikely that anything other than primary sources exist for it at this point. All G-hits are forum postings.  -- Mufka (u) (t) (c)
 * Keep:Project Home 2010 is real, but it is a science project for youths. No one has laughed off the Project from any forum, however thay have laughed off the science enthousiasts whom copied material from the project's website onto those forum without the consent of the company funding the project. The idea of Project Home 2010 was to create a brainstorming think tank for eligible students interested in science to see what they could come up with. It is very much real, although it hasn't won any nobel prizes. The 2 youths in the science project are on to something in the area of magnetics that could be useful someday. Their experiment will be in Connecticut in 2010 and it will be interesting to see how their project works out.
 * There is not a single reliable source of information to back up the claim that this is a real project. The only hits in Google are the actual Angelfire.com site (which looks like it was written by a 12-yr old with poor English skills), and cross postings from that site to other forums, where the only reaction has been "Get a life, quacks."   WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 04:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * delete I'd say a speedy as nonsense, whether as a hoax altogether or non-notable real nonsense, except that since it's being defended, an afd will lay the matter to rest. DGG (talk) 03:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep : I know a bit about physics and the things those kids are working on are very plausible. They admit that their research is only theorized and nothing they describe violates the laws of thermodynamics in any way. The website has many references to back up the things they are trying to prove in physics, and I am interested to see what they come up with. Yes they are just kids in a sponsored science program of some kind, but I wouldn't try to say it isn't real. There are pictures all over the site of the devices they built, and even pictures of their devices working. The "get a life quacks" comment was undoubtably from Bill, a 40 year old man that harrassed those kids and their friends. The way they are working on using magnetic energy from ambient air using ionic forces of matter is facinating if you ask me. -DECKER — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.54.137 (talk • contribs)
 * Comment: Note that both "Keep" votes came from the same anonymous IP address. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The 2 honor students in the project are making great strides with their work there. They shouldn't be put down. They don't have PhDs in physics and don't work at some laboratory at a prestigious University, but they are 2 people devoting a lot of time and effort into their research. The project may not be front page New York Times, but it is a real science project the 2 kids are working on extracurricular while studying engineering in college, just as the information says. This is not an unusual thing. Project Home 2010 is paying for both of their college educations with a full scholarship trust fund, and the 2 students are International Honor Society inductees. That can be looked up. What if they did change the world someday? Most would be interested to learn about projects like this early in the event that it becomes something significant later. The engineering they are doing in the project has a lot of good ideas that other science majors could build on and develop themselves. I think it is noble of them to share their ideas and the work they have performed. Project Home 2010 is something of interest that is going on in the world that quite a few would be interested in knowing about. (Teacher) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.43.178.242 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete. Whether it's a hoax or not, it's simply not notable. As Mufka pointed out, all the non-wiki ghits (all 21 of them) are forum postings and don't show notability. Zero gnews hits. Zero gbooks hits. Zero gscholar hits.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  15:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: I must note that in regard to those forum boards, the forums that have a population of serious professionals never tried to discredit the project in any way, however the boards where someone was mentioning Project Home 2010 that has immature replies were boards where there were a particular group of lesser impartial individuals. Other topics on those boards had the same reaction. On that "quack" board I did notice that the one that made that comment apologized further down the page after they found out the project was the real deal. Any postings of the project on message boards does not represent the academic atmosphere the project is surrounded with, or people that are working specifically in that field of study.
 * Two students working on a science project in their backyard is NOT notable. Since this project has no secondary sources, there is NO WAY to verify its veracity.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: It obviously is not two students working in their backyard by themselves. It is an established project backed by an Australian company paying for both of their entire college educations to Bachelor degree level, and have an established lab for the students to construct the layout. They are under the direction of their benefactors and have to follow their rules. The company supported them with food and housing since they were 12, as well as supplied all the materials they required to design and build what they have so far, through the college they are at since they were both 17 (as the information states). A backyard that pays for their college, not bad. They are definately likely to be two future notables. The information states that the two students are working on this through the college they are attending. If their IP is from a college that would be some hard evidence that the information is true.- DECKER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.54.137 (talk) 00:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the name of this unnamed Australian company? Such information would go very far in establishing the veracity (although not necessarily the notability) of this project.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete If it is a true patent, it should have a suitable reference with the appropriate patent database, IP Australia in this case. Mvjs  Talking  06:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:RS and WP:N. I am tempted to put a request for checkuser on the user and both IPs above. Undead Warrior (talk) 12:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep : How much detail is allowed to post about the project? Is it O.K. to post the names of companys, schools, associated people, etc. here? The company is out of Australia and the students and college/lab are in USA. Angelfire is a USA host I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.43.178.242 (talk) 12:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Please limit yourself to ONE vote per discussion!!! (See this edit.) Comments may be added as required, but only ONE vote, thank you. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:55, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * PS ANY amount of information that would actually allow a reader to verify the veracity of the project would be appropriate. Names of schools and sponsors would be VERY appropriate.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * CommentThere was just a concern about using company names without permission, especialy when there seems to be a lot of negative people without the positive toward the project.

The company is called Envirotech E.A. LTD, not to be confused with "Envirotech". The company funded seminars for Project Home 2010 where the 2 students John and Matt demonstrated their technology at Springfield College in Massachusetts in 2001 and the project and the 2 students were given a very good reception; far from not being taken seriously. They also demonstrated their technology to the engineering department there. Envirotech moved the 2 students to a lab in Connecticut in 2002 and cut funding to Springfield College. Envirotech E.A. LTD has submitted many notarized documents in a fat folder to the U.S. Social Security Administration regarding that Bill K. person stealing one of the student's father's ID, messing up the student's father's record that had an affect on his son in the project. Envirotech E.A. LTD also hire a lawyer then. this was 2004. What this means now is that Social Security now has documents that prove the company exists, and that they had a great interest in John and Matt, the students picked by them to be in Project Home 2010 to complete in 2010.
 * If the company is sponsoring the project, they should have no trouble having their name associated with it. If they do NOT want their name associated with the project, the project probably has no business publishing itself on Wikipedia anyway.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The closest match I can find on Google is a company called "AP Envirotech Pty, Ltd" which is a vendor of environmental remediation products and services, but doesn't appear to be of a size or nature to be sponsoring original research in any area. Further, Springfield College does not HAVE an engineering department.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - WP:BOLLOCKS applies -- Whpq (talk) 14:54, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep : The exact name of the company sponsoring the project is "Envirotech E.A. LTD." The acting Agent of the company funding Project Home 2010 as of 2001-2003 was "Jackie James" from Australia that is the main connecticon to the funding of the students in Project Home 2010 in U.S.A. She would fly in to the states every now and then to check on progress, reciepts and construction logs. She would stay at the Springfield Mass. Sheraton Hotel. Now there is an electronic record keeping system the students use with Australia. Springfield College had a Computer Science- engineering science related program that the 2 students were interested in using to develop their Polybit computer processor invention. It was 6 years ago, but the college should certainly remember them. The project wire transferred $15,000 to Springfield College for Matt and John to attend a semester there in 2002. John and Matt were well liked there and showed off their magnetic powered vehicle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.43.178.242 (talk) 18:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, please only ONE vote per IP address. You have now submitted 3 keep votes from this address.  Additional comments are welcome, but not additional votes.  You have also still failed to produce any VERIFIABLE information about this project, and since no searches can produce any hits, the project cannot be considered NOTABLE, even if it is real.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

The project is real, I can vouch for that. What exactly is the criteria for notable? Is Wikipedia an information source of the world and what is going on in it and what is known about it, or is it limited to a special elite and limited information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.15.54.137 (talk) 00:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The criteria for notability is found at WP:Notability. WP:V also has pertinent requirements. Wikipedia is limited to verifiable and notable encyclopedic information.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  00:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I have submitted a checkuser request for the IPs and the registered user. Undead Warrior (talk) 02:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


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