Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pronunciation of names in A Song of Ice and Fire

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was merge/redirect. This has been done. Joyous 01:31, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation of names in A Song of Ice and Fire
This is a list of suggested pronunciations, but due to circumstances mentioned in the article nothing is entirely sure. Original research, not encyclopedic. Should be article on book itself if at all kept. Mgm|(talk) 10:37, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)


 * (I started this page.) I agree to some extend with the above arguments, and the page should certainly be more precise about the status quo of these suggestions. It is known that Mr. Martin was consulted about and has blessed the pronunciations of Mr. Dotrice on the audio book version, which lends some credence to them. I am looking for a quote from Martin to confirm this. Also, the pronunciations of Martin himself have been recorded and noted by very diligent listeners and can be considered stable and more or less canonical (though not to the degree of Tolkien's). The motivation to collect this information in a single spot is to make them accessible to readers outside the core fandom. -- That being said, the page in its current form could easily be merged with the List of characters in A Song of Ice and Fire. The reason to start a separate page was to allow for names of places as well. Thore 10:48, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of characters in A Song of Ice and Fire. Propose a title change to "List of characters and places..." if you think it's important. &mdash; Asbestos | Talk 16:38, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge per Asbestos. &mdash;Korath (Talk) 21:02, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge anything useable into List of characters in A Song of Ice and Fire. Megan1967 01:44, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge according to Asbestos' sugestion. JoaoRicardo 04:31, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it all be merged into the main article on the book. Merge into A Song of Ice and Fire. Mgm|(talk) 09:06, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * (I started the page.) Agreed with the suggestion of merging it into the main A Song of Ice and Fire page, and promptly done it. The main problem of sources that MacGyverMagic pointed out in the original VfD remained (and bugged by much more than the location of this information). I think I solved it by changing the list of pronunciations to explicitly present Roy Dotrice's in the audio books, rather than the received pronunciation that has been established in the fandom (even thought that happens to be the same, because Martin and Dotrice are friends and agreed on the pronunciation). Suddenly it's an objective list that can be verified against the audiobooks, edited, and extended. I am much happier with the status of the information now, mostly thanks to MGM's original objections. -- I am new to the deletion proces... what happens now? I moved the information to another page, so the VfD'd page can die. Am I supposed to do anything, or will that happen automagically? Thore 09:32, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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