Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pseudonym (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. three relistings have brought us no closer to consensus. I have no personal opinion on the notability, but there just isn't consensus to delete.  DGG ( talk ) 04:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Pseudonym (band)

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Delete due to lack of notability. Does not meet any of the topical notability guidelines for bands; local band plays weekly in a local nightclub, independently released one EP, which did not chart and article claims was not successful. Press coverage in support of local gigs. Does not meet general notability guidelines; references provided do not equate to significant coverage in reliable and independent sources, most trivial with some only barely mentioning the subject.  Cind. amuse  10:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 01:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep the band has been featured on the radio twice and performs an average of 120 concerts a year. According to WP:BAND, bands should at least have a single or an album but the band has an EP consisting three singles with one more single released later. The EP was not commercially successful but their singles were smash hit on their concerts. Lastly, the references present on the article are reliable, although there are not many newspaper articles related to this band. With regards, Guitarist(talk10:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. The band appears to have local popularity, plays in a local club, and has garnered local press. The press garnered is not significant. The band has not charted with any albums or singles on any country's national music chart. They have not released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels. No national or international tours, no awards, no successful songs or albums. While a claim is made that the band has been featured on radio twice, reliable/independent sources have not been found to lend support or define the appearance, (i.e., half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network). While I thought a couple weeks might provide opportunity to establish notability, the criteria unfortunately has not been met yet. Possibly in the future.  Cind. amuse  02:35, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree that the band has not recorded an album on a major label, in India there are only a few major record labels, I know only one of them i.e. Sony BMG. Only Bollywood artists work with Sony BMG leaving a few exceptions. And, India does not have any music chart for bands although there are music charts for Bollywood movie songs. And that’s why only bollywood artists get popular while bands do not get much popular. The band (Pseudonym) has performed one show in Ranchi, Jharkhand, India on 31st January, 2010 according to their concert list, which makes it a national tour. Regards. Guitarist(talk04:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I can't rationalize the band's failure to record on a major or important indie label or inability to chart in India. The charts that I am familiar with off the top of my head are the Indipop Top 100, Desi Rock 100, and Mirchi Top 100. I'm sure there's more for different categories, including for movies. On another note, one gig does not a national tour make. Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. These are mostly (99%) for bollywood songs/artists (Indian Pop Music/Songs written in Hindi). India actually doesnot have any proper chart for Indian Rock Music/Indian Rock Bands. Also, you are considering this reliable but not considering the artilces on daily broadsheet newspapers of India. Regards. Guitarist(talk15:59, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of satisfying any of Wikipedia's notability guidelines, particualarly WP:GNG or WP:BAND. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree that it does not satisfy all the guidelines but it does satisfy most of the guidelines of WP:GNG and WP:BAND and the sources can be found on the article's references section and further reading section. Regards. Guitarist(talk08:02, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment We've discussed the failure to meet the WP:GNG in great detail, but could you provide evidence that the subject meets just one of the topical notability guidelines for bands? Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. It does meet the first one - Reliable Sources. Guitarist(talk16:15, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. This band was featured on the newspaper The News Today based in Dhaka, Bangladesh. You may check it out . Regards. Guitarist(talk07:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what "featured" is supposed to mean in this context, but the band is mentioned in a few sentences in an article not primarily about them. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The write-up in the fifth paragraph is about them. Hopefully, the article now meets WP:GNG. Regards. <b style="font-size:15px;color:#8B0000;font-family:Papyrus">Guitarist</b>(talk14:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment This source is not indicative of significant coverage to establish notability in accordance with the general notability guidelines. Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is nothing wrong about it, its a media (a broadsheet newspaper) in Bangladesh, a valid reliable source as per WP:GNG and Wikipedia:Verifiability. <b style="font-size:15px;color:#8B0000;font-family:Papyrus">Guitarist</b>(talk17:56, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The band has done one national tour, and has managed to get a whole paragraph of coverage in a newspaper published in another country.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment There is no evidence to support that the band has had a national tour. And one whole paragraph in a newspaper does not equate to significant coverage to establish notability according to the WP:GNG. Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


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 * Keep. A click through of the sources show the band has received significant coverage, perhaps not sufficiently detailed, but from multiple independent reliable sources. Way past GNG, IMHO, but not yet to WP:BAND. This page needs improvement, not deletion. BusterD (talk) 13:03, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. When sources do not "sufficiently detail" the band, this generally equates to a lack of significant coverage. In order to establish notability according to the notability guidelines for bands, the band must have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. The band lacks coverage meeting this criteria. The article existed for several weeks in an attempt to offer the article creator more time to improve the article by providing references to establish notability, to no avail. Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080826/jsp/entertainment/story_9741501.jsp and http://www.ilovekolkata.in/index.php/Nightlife/Pseudonym-Music-with-an-alternative-twist.html have detailed information about the band, there are other sources in which the band is mentioned on a paragraph or on a few lines. <b style="font-size:15px;color:#8B0000;font-family:Papyrus">Guitarist</b>(talk04:25, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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 * Delete. Local covers band. Coverage is trival local interest stuff, not significant. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. The band has an EP, and there are articles on daily broadsheet newspapers in India. Also, there is one article on a daily broadsheet newspaper based in Bangladesh. You can check out the references and the further reading section. Regards. <b style="font-size:15px;color:#8B0000;font-family:Papyrus">Guitarist</b>(talk04:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. Again, the album, containing three songs did not chart and was not a success. And the articles about the band are rather peripheral and not significant in nature. Cind.   amuse  (Cindy) 12:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. I couldnt find any chart for Indian Rock Bands. Their songs were sucess during their live concerts. <b style="font-size:15px;color:#8B0000;font-family:Papyrus">Guitarist</b>(talk16:20, 31 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Band has one article devoted to it.  A couple more-than-casual mentions elsewhere.  Seems likely to generate more.   78.26  (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.