Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Psychatog (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Odyssey (Magic: The Gathering). Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  12:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Psychatog
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This article was AfDed three months after it was created (see discussion here, and there was a clear consensus to delete/merge, but for whatever reason the deletion/merger never happened. Individual Magic cards are likely not notable at all, and if any individual cards are, the bar would need to be set much higher than this one.  Some of the most notable cards, the Power Nine, do not have individual articles, but rather a collective one.  Put another way, if this card is notable, it's likely that hundreds of other individual cards are likewise notable.  This card will never have a major, full-length work such as a book written about it.  All but two of the sources cited here are from magicthegathering.com and therefore not independent of the subject; of the other two, one is another wiki's glossary page, and the third discusses a deck that uses Psychatog, not the card itself. Croctotheface (talk) 18:41, 21 June 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:24, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added a citation to a book which describes the card as famous. Other sources are out there too. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Psychatog is definitely one of the most notable cards in the game. It has been a dominant card in many different Magic formats, and is generally considered the key card in most of the decks that use it.  The nominator's statement that hundreds of cards would need articles if this one has one isn't true, as Psychatog is probably one of the top 10 most notable cards in the game (and the other nine are already covered in a single article).  That being said, most of the coverage would certainly be about how it is a good card in-game, without the added level of notability of cards like the Power Nine, which are not only good card in-game, but also worth large amounts of money.  I'm not sure whether coverage just discussing how powerful it is in-game would be enough to warrent an article. Calathan (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete / Comment Just speedy merge individual cards in the future? Anything notable on this is definitely better put into Odyssey (Magic: The Gathering). SnowFire (talk) 06:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No reason is given why non-MtG fans could find this card notable. Shii (tock) 00:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Odyssey (Magic: The Gathering). The is probably more detail than is necessary (i.e. can be sourced to reliable sources) but there is not need to delete our coverage outright.  Eluchil404 (talk) 03:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to Odyssey (Magic: The Gathering). As a lapsed Magic player I can confirm that this is a very notable card within the context of the game, and there's been quite a lot of coverage of it in connected publications. But it's notability outside the context of Magic is very limited, and I'm not sure a viable article in a mainstream encyclopedia is really sustainable. ~ mazca  talk 10:38, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.