Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Puebla Air Lines


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The result was   no consensus. The Bushranger One ping only 02:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Puebla Air Lines

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I can't find any reliable sources that would indicate that this airline passes Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 22:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete – If you can't find any reliable sources, that definitely means it should be deleted because it's not notable enough to even have significant coverage in reliable sources. The author has had nine days to add sources but has not done so.  &mdash;Comp dude 123 15:05, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep needs better sources but images of 727s XA-ASS and XA-PAL on airlines.net show them in Puebla Air Lines colour scheme although they indicate they were still operated by TAESA for Puebla. Searching for Pal Aerolineas Sa De Cv bring up lots of sources including some US DoT documents. Appears to have been allocated ICAO "LPA" MilborneOne (talk) 18:29, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Check out the history of this article, the article was created at:
 * 2012-05-05T22:01:06, and after one edit at
 * 2012-05-05T22:12:15, was nominated for deletion at
 * 2012-05-05T22:31:30‎, or 30 minutes and 24 seconds after the article was created. Unscintillating (talk) 04:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This was because the article was deleted in the past, after I had proposed it for deletion via WP:PROD. When the current article was created it showed up on my watchlist, and I saw that it looked pretty similar to the previous article, and was unsourced. As I had already searched for sources the previous time, I nominated it for deletion quite quickly after I noticed it. Have a look at the deletion log to check. Best —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 13:46, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment The two airplanes alone attract third-party attention.  Each of the below domain names have at least one dedicated web page:

A search on [inurl:"XA-ASS"] finds:
 * airliners.net
 * planepictures.net
 * abpic.co.uk
 * jetphotos.net
 * aerotransport.org
 * myaviation.net
 * yakfreak.aviation.at
 * flugzeugbilder.de

Likewise, [inurl:"XA-PAL"] finds: Unscintillating (talk) 05:00, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * airliner.net
 * planespotters.net
 * planepictures.net
 * aerotransport.org
 * flyteam.jp


 * Comment. Thanks to MilborneOne for tracking down the Spanish name. Using the above links I managed to find what looks like substantial coverage in this book, though I can't seem to bring it up using snippet view. Here's the excerpt I saw from the search page:
 * Pal Aerolíneas, SA de CV Fue una empresa fundada en 1993 en Puebla, desde donde voló a México, Zihuatanejo, Mérida y Villahermosa con un avión Boeing 727. Desapareció en 1995. Rutas Aéreas Costeñas, SA, (RACSA). Tuvo su base
 * And translated using Google Translate: Pal Aerolineas, SA de CV was founded in 1993 in Puebla, where he flew to Mexico, Zihuatanejo, Merida and Villahermosa with a Boeing 727. He disappeared in 1995. Air Routes coastal, SA, (RACSA). Was based
 * I'm not sure if this continues for any length, but I think we can probably assume this counts towards notability. If anyone can find another decent source then I'll gladly concede that this airline is notable. I'm afraid that listings in books of acronyms or pictures of the company's aeroplanes don't really qualify, though, per WP:CORPDEPTH. Best —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 10:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I just saw the references that have been added to the article. (I should have probably checked for that before I wrote my previous comment...) I think these sources all fall foul of WP:CORPDEPTH though - the FAA code change notice is just a few entries in a list with no prose, the airlineinfo.com source is a reposting of a routine document about requesting permission to have flights go to the USA, and I couldn't find anything at all about Puebla Airlines in the Justia source. I'm not saying that there aren't more reliable sources out there that have significant coverage, just that these aren't them. —  Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 12:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if this continues for any length, but I think we can probably assume this counts towards notability. If anyone can find another decent source then I'll gladly concede that this airline is notable. I'm afraid that listings in books of acronyms or pictures of the company's aeroplanes don't really qualify, though, per WP:CORPDEPTH. Best — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 10:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I just saw the references that have been added to the article. (I should have probably checked for that before I wrote my previous comment...) I think these sources all fall foul of WP:CORPDEPTH though - the FAA code change notice is just a few entries in a list with no prose, the airlineinfo.com source is a reposting of a routine document about requesting permission to have flights go to the USA, and I couldn't find anything at all about Puebla Airlines in the Justia source. I'm not saying that there aren't more reliable sources out there that have significant coverage, just that these aren't them. — <b style="text-shadow:0.15em 0.15em 0.1em #555; color: #194D00; font-style: oblique; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif"> Mr. Stradivarius ♫</b> 12:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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