Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pull (Mr. Mister album) (2nd nomination)


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The result was   speedy delete. by Thingg. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  22:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Pull (Mr. Mister album)
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Richard Page himself - he IS Mr. Mister - is talking about releasing Pull on his new website. It's in the radio interview posted on Youtube. Also he is writing an email stating the same. That's proof enough. /Kos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kos99 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete non notable unreleased album fails WP:MUSIC Mayalld (talk) 08:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment not for Wikipedia it isn't. We don't do crystal ball gazing, and regardless of what Page says about his intentions, there is zero firm evidence that this will ever happen. Mayalld (talk) 08:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

From the guideline: "Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources." For me it's reliable that Page himself discusses the album with radio hosts only a fem days ago. It's the first time we have his own words on the matter. Also, I don't see anything about 'crystal ball' in the guideline. Nothing about release or not, rather existence or not. And Pull exists - I have it myself like thousands of others (including the radio host joking with Page about his copy being worn-out!). Sorry if I have misunderstood the guideline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kos99 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC) Themfromspace, if email is not good enough how about the radio interview from December 18th 2008 with Richard Page talking about the album release? Just curious about the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kos99 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The article needs reliable sources to verify the subject's notability to be included.  E-mails do not count as reliable sources. Themfromspace (talk) 08:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment notice the word independent. Page is not independent, and his making a statement that is MIGHT be released in a post-interview e-mail is not a reliable source. Mayalld (talk) 09:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Why the repeated reference to the email when his own words about the matter is in the radio interview (Youtube link)? Again: The guideline says nothing about "release odds", it's more about "existence" as I read it. And there is no question about the album existing (it's all over the internet). The new thing is Page's own words about talking with the record company about releasing it on his new website. But anyway - I'm new here and might not read the guideline properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kos99 (talk • contribs) 09:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC) Hm... the album is already out there (and has been for years) - everybody can download it. And it seems it will now be out there in a commercial way. But I guess this greyzone "position" is not enough to get an separate wikipedia page. So go ahead and delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kos99 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, searches bring up nada in the way of independent, reliable, third-party, sources that could establish notability for future albums per WP:MUSIC & WP:CRYSTAL.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 10:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


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