Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pullman, Richmond


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 07:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Pullman, Richmond
Non-noteable, very little content ElKevbo 22:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Most of the same information is in the Richmond%2C_California article, the stuff that isn't IMO that important anyways. DrunkenSmurf 23:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment This nomination should be expanded to include Point Richmond, Rockridge, Oakland, California, Metropolitan Borough of Wigan, Fruitvale, Oakland, California or Noe Valley, San Francisco, California. What about The Castro, San Francisco, California or SoHo or Little Italy, Manhattan? --Nick Y. 23:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The content in those articles establishes some (minor) level of noteability.  There is nothing comparable in this article.  If someone can expand this article, then I would be happy to change my vote or withdraw the nomination.  But the onus for establishing the noteability of a subject should be on the creator of the article, not the general Wikipedia community.  --ElKevbo 00:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * comment I do not see that Point Richmond or Rockridge, Oakland, California establish any more notablility. They are just better written. In fact Point Richmond just says that it is a quaint little neighborhood that didn't like their new Starbucks.--Nick Y. 00:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete as repetition of Point Richmond. --Slgr @ ndson (page - messages - contribs) 23:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Point Richmond is not the same neighborhood. It is nearby and served by the same bus line.--Nick Y. 23:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment I recognize that the article is poorly written and this particular neighborhood may be less notable than others but I think there may perhaps be a need to have a consistent policy before we go down this slippery slope. Is there a policy? This is a good faith question. I just don't see the notablity difference with many other similar articles. Note that I have not voted. It seems that Cities are notable regardless of size or location, as long as they are incorporated. Even unicorporated cities are included. Secondary schools are notable no matter what. There are thousands of neighborhood articles. This one happens to be poorly written and about four days old.--Nick Y. 23:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If you find a policy, please point it out to us! I'll be happy to withdraw this nomination or vote to keep it if there is policy or significant precedent.  It's just difficult to establish noteabiliy for such a brief, poorly written, and completely unreferenced article.  There is nothing in the article even establishing the existence of such a place.  I think it's perfectly reasonable to require the creator of a new article to provide some evidence of the subject's existence and noteability.  --ElKevbo 00:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree with your general poor quality judgement of this article. I've improved it. I'm not particularly interested in saving this one I'm just curious about appropriateness and policy.--Nick Y. 00:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment Now improved and referenced. Compare it to Point Richmond or Rockridge, Oakland, California both nearby neighborhoods.--Nick Y. 00:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep as rewritten by Nick Y. Seems notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 03:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If I can withdraw this nomination, then I shall, based on Nick's edits and additions. Otherwise, I find myself in the strange position of voting keep on an AfD I myself proposed.  I am pleased that things seem to have taken a turn for the better.  --ElKevbo 04:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete I live in Richmond and there is absolutely nothing that makes this district noteworthy. Tradeway Carpet Store, Good Lord. Rockridge, Point Richmond are could be keeps for local prominence (although neither of the articles establish this). The Castro is internationally famous. ~ trialsanderrors 06:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment "Local Prominence"??? You mean that they are cute and have nice fancy stores where you can buy nice things or get a gourment meal? Point Richmond has like 20 stores/resturants total and it is surrounded by an oil refinery. It is just a cool place for upper class people to live because it si cute and has some historic victorians.--Nick Y. 16:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Response Actually, come to think of it, I would probably vote Delete on Point Richmond too. Neighborhoods aren't inherently notable. They have to establish notability for themselves. ~ trialsanderrors 00:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete, non-notable. I live in the Bay Area and most neighborhoods in San Francisco and Oakland are notable, whereas neighborhoods of Richmond generally have little importance. Catamorphism 14:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * merge The neighborhood is not notable, I live in Richmond. A carpet store? its some mom and pop store. It should be merged into the Richmond article. Poeple throughout the bay area know of Hilltop and Point Richmond and Rockridge. Pt. Richmond? Its so nice there. Hilltop, theres that Mall there right?. Rockridge. It that by the Rockruidge Bart station? pullman is more of a neioghborhood name for the hood which people out of that area dont even know. i live 20 blocks from "Pullman" and had never heard of it. Allthough within the bureorcracy i do know that the city does delimit it on the garbage/reclycling pickup list and dates. but my hood has a name too, which only appears on that list and non one would know where i was talkign about if i told em. i do request people check out the article once more since it has changed since it was put up for deletion. i also think its a little bit aggressive to put up articles for deletion sop quickly, even the richmond article was a poorly qritten one sentance thingy at first. North Richmond, California is a good example of this compare earliest to most recnt, night and day. and that comment about people dont know about neighborhoods in Richmond. well youre sheltered and maybe a little gentrified agrregious and ignorant. im guessing all you know about richmond is enviornmenttal catatrophes and drive by shootings and are ignorant to the fact of 2 country clubs malls department stores casinos national monuments milllion dollar mcmansions state of the art bus system and upscale cookie cutter homes bike trails ranches horticultural centers shipbuilding port funtions wildlife anbd diversity and yes even pullman. and cmon dude i know youve heard of Poitn Richmond and HilltopQrc2006 23:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep on procedural grounds only, nominator has withdrawn his nomination. -- H·G (words/works) 04:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Question Just for clarification, is closure after withdrawal a procedure? I can't find anything on the relevant pages. ~ trialsanderrors 04:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. The nominator may only withdraw an AfD if there have been no Delete opinions.  This doesn't apply here, the AfD should be allowed to run to completion.  WP:SK paras A1 and A2 refer. Tevildo 09:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's useful. ~ trialsanderrors 09:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I have seen several withdrawls after at least one delete vote.--128.115.27.10 16:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Again I am really not concerned about this neighborhood. I just don't see that since Rockridge has "upscale" shops that it is more notable than Pullman. I clearly think that there is a bias that will creep in here. Rockridge is nothing but an old suburb that is now urban. It has fancy resturants, expensive fancy resturants. I totally agree with voting on these things but I really see a very negative bias being created here where, those places near and dear to wealthy people like Rockridege and Point Richmond, those places that are cute, are called notable. Personally I would think that a neighborhood (with some sort of official existance) in a major city would always be notable as a geographical location.--Nick Y. 16:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Richmond is not a major city. Catamorphism 16:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay Major metropolitan area. However why not just medium size city. Again, I have not voted and I am simply discussing. I'm afraid of the precedent we would set, not of losing this article.--Nick Y. 16:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep for reasons above and to prevent this precedent.--Nick Y. 20:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * keep please verifiable neighborhoods are notable always Yuckfoo 06:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.