Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pumping House


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete--Anthony.bradbury"talk" 21:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Pumping House

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I'm not convinced this genre exists, and as another editor has shared my concern on the article's talk page, I'm nominating it for deletion. A lot of the tracks referenced at the bottom are electro house, flat beat, for instance, is already mentioned in the electro house article. The creator has also added a paragraph on the pumpin' house article which suggests that "pumpin' house" and "pumping house" are separate genres, which is hardly believable. I've looked for some references for this and found none which explain what this genre is exactly. -  Zeib ur a  (talk) 23:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 23:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 00:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, it is noted that Euro-Trance references this genre quite well in an article that is without citations but is at least structured. That the genre is not clearly defined suggests that it is not sufficiently notable to have a stand-alone article. Pever 04:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Blimey. I read that subsection, started out by deleting the "electroclash is a music style intended for gay people" sentence (which is completely false and unverifiable), then realised there'd hardly be any of the subsection left. That whole section (Music styles considered "Euro-Trance") is just a weasel nest, and unreliable without references. So still not convinced the genre exists. -  Zeib ur a  (talk) 05:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete, seems to be about electro house, which already has an article Reubot 10:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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Without any offence, Zeibura is a 19 year old British that suggests to delete an info about a music style that never became popular in UK (most of the hits I linked to the page never released in the UK market...). Those hits produced around 2001-2004 when he was 13 to 16 years old... I don't know his knowledge about the european non UK based dance music, neither I agree with him regarding what is "electro", etc. But this is another mater. He does his job.

Personally, I suggest to find someone there in wikipedia with knowledge about the european dance music to judge those things. And - if possible - old enough to know all those music styles first hand. Beyond that:

It is more than certain that the european dance music styles, and especialy those not so popular on UK/USA, may have different names (terms) in other places of the world. Terms comes and go in dance music and I suppose the point here is to write down all those terms, so when someone tries to find out what is what, to get the info. If something is branded "X" in one market and "Y" on another, there must be a reference that "Y" is called "X" somewhere else. From my knowledge, in European Dance music, every little while, a dance music style pop up somewhere in Europe and if it became popular enough it may end up to Germany and later to the UK market (and from there to other markets)... Each time those hits presented in a new market, a local term appears. The British and the Americans, which they have organised music industries, tend to accept only the terms that appear in their on market. For example, the term "eurodance". In the discussion page, that shows a lot...

Regarding Pumpin House and Pumping House, the sound is obviously different. Pumpin House is French house with heavy horns and funky elements, why Pumping House is a later french house variation, full electronic and with a very specific baseline. There was around 40 hits presented in the top of the page, with a very specific sound, enough to "proove" if not the term, at least the existance of this music style. But I bet, this is not the point here. You need "proofs" beyond artists and hits. But there is a slighty problem: With dance music in Europe, there are always not acceptable references to proove the existance of a music style. The Germans, the Italians and the Spanish producers, don't care for those things, only the new Poland artists care a little to show themeselfs. On the other hand, DJ Sets and local scenes are underground and things like bootleg mixed CDs and flyers are not evidence. I can't proove something if I upload a flyer for example... And I believe this is a problem with dance music everywhere those days.

Just check all the articles about dance music: Start to count: Eurodisco, Eurodance, Eurotrance, Italodisco, Hi NRG, Eurobeat, Europop, New Beat, Vocal Trance, Progressive Trance/house, Uplifting Trance/house, an so on... All those music styles are european dance music styles, they do exist and all labbelled by the wikipedia moderators as "This article does not cite any references or sources" Yeah, but then, why people write about them? IMO, you will never see references or sources for those music styles. There is no a music industry like the UK/USA model for those music styles. The references are usually things told on MTV by VJs (when MTV use to be MTV Europe) or some DJs, some dance events or, some CD compilations with imports from other markets.

Anyway, you decided to delete the article, I won't take any action to change that. But please try to find someone that knows about european dance music to judge those things. It will help a lot. (Labrokratis 23:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC))