Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punjab College Kharian


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:30, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Punjab College Kharian

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Spammy article about a college that is part of a larger education network that supports mainstream education. Subject appears to lack independent notability per WP:NSCHOOL and contains direct copy and paste and extremely close paraphrasing of a copyrighted source. Bellerophon talk to me  23:48, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:49, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 01:49, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * keep individual secondary schools are counted as notable. Most schools are part of a network, so this is not a reason to delete.  The spammy nature is a reason to clean it up though. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing for deletion because it is part of a network, but because it appears to lack coverage in independent reliable sources. If individual secondary and above schools are still simply afforded 'automatic notability' what is the point of WP:NSCHOOL? Bellerophon talk to me  20:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, it has no point and certainly doesn't reflect consensus established through many AfDs. The situation is that one or two determined editors consistently remove text that reflects the actual consensus. The Whispering Wind (talk) 17:54, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Definately needs to be cleaned up, but unless someone has a larger publication to fill out the encyclopedic stats of the school it should be concise and functional. Some of these books are hard to get, but it really could use more figures and less on the generic "mission" statement. 209.255.230.32 (talk) 12:11, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to parent article (Punjab Group of Colleges) until notability is apparent. The parent group is certainly notable but this branch was only established in 2011, so at best one cohort has graduated so far (if I am correct in assuming that it offers 2-year courses). It is unlikely that there are many reliable third-party references available yet, certainly not much in the Google-searches listed above. Green Giant (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - We keep high schools and above because experience shows that, with enough research, sources can almost invariably be found that meet WP:ORG. Google is a poor tool for finding sources on schools in the Indian sub-continent. Very few have much of an Internet presence. We need to avoid systemic bias and allow time for local hard-copy and local language sources to be investigated. The Whispering Wind (talk) 18:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I have cleaned up the page. The Whispering Wind (talk) 18:57, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep Most Indian and Pakistani institutions of higher education are in networks of some sort. There are various reasons--the proprietary ones have the same ownership; many of the major ones have set up branches which have become independent; a particular jurisdiction may amalgamate institutions under its control; the difficult of getting degree-granting status has caused many newer or small institutions to associate themselves with the university that awards the degree--often with no further link, but a purely formal certification.
 * This is an example of an original single institution in a region having established additional independent colleges.  I think colleges such as this are best treated as independent, because otherwise they information would be unclear. the distinction needs to be made between a single college having several campuses, and it is admittedly not always clear--the available information on the web sites is not always sufficient to allow an outside to understand the actual relationship, and it is extremely difficult to find other accessible sources.  DGG ( talk ) 02:39, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


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