Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punjabi Mafia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. However, I'm going to redirect this to Mafia, because it's such a wretchedly bad article. No prejudice against recreation with decent sources and citations, however. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 13:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Punjabi Mafia

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Almost all of the article is completely unreferenced; one of the given external links mentions a punjabi mafia only after calling them gangs for the entire article. All the references given are to incidents in Canada mostly attributed to gangs. One other reference does mention an Indo-Canadia mafia when talking about a particular case. I believe even if stubbed, this article doesn't meet notability standard and no other references can be found to ever make this article anything more than a few sentence stub. Shell babelfish 17:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC) +++++++ If you have more links to post, then you should certainly include them. The whole claim for deletion here is that the article isn't well referenced enough - Nygdan 12-20-2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nygdan (talk • contribs) 15:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and make into a stub. Most of the information in the article would be difficult to verify, at the very least.  However, as a stub, this should not be a problem.  I believe that enough sources can be found to easily establish notability with a little searching.  For example, try this and this.  --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 17:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep We will post more External Links from only Punjab. and Drug Lords from Punjab. its nonsense to delete Punjabi Mafia cause its not only reffering to Canada . PUNJABI MAFIA IS WORLD WIDE. including in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Canada, England, America, South America etc.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.253.131 (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I understood that from the text; if you can provide those references, that would help a great deal. Shell babelfish 19:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep pending refs of actual "mafia" type org, not just random Punjabi bad people. We can always delete it later if no real references show up. Mykej (talk) 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep or at least make it into a stub. Because of the very nature of the subject there can't been too many citations for it. Some fo the more fantastic elements could be removed, and it could be noted that such and such families are 'sometimes believed to be connected to the underworld', etc, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an article on the Punjabi mafia. Heck, according to lots of people, there is no Italian Mafia either. Nygdan 12-19-2007  —Preceding comment was added at 18:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. As touched on in the nomination, there is little to no information supporting the idea that there exists a principally Punjabi mafia-style criminal organization. Isolated incidents of gang violence and other miscellaneous crimes committed by people sharing a common ethnicity do not a mafia make. tgies (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Being a member of the Punjabi community, I can assure you first hand that there is no such thing as the Punjabi Mafia and that it is sort of a humor and pride issue that keeps a few young men of the Punjabi community in Canada refering to themselves as the "Punjabi Mafia". The fire has further been fueled by Canadian media who having encountered such terms in Punjabi chat rooms, have added a sort of romantic and notorious element to the unsolved murder cases in the Indo-Canadian community.  I have looked at all the references provided in the article and none support this notion of a "Punjabi Mafia" and are all isolated incidents, some of which may be gang related.  This claim of an international underground network of Punjabi families involved in mafia type organized criminal activity and drug trafficking is also completely unsupported.  It is true that Punjabi families in Canada and the States do tend to belong to an affluent and wealthy upper class (this can be supported by Census data), but this does not in any way indicate sophisticated criminal activity as implied by "Punjabi Mafia".  This page appears to have been created for the amusement for a few individuals in the Punjabi community who are trying to propagate this notion of a Punjabi Mafia.  Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia should not be used for this type of propaganda.  Only entries supported by solid citations belong here.  Guneeta (talk) 23:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Punjabi mafia officialy originated in Punjab. we can post more external links but we are just posting the most recent activities. many old articles have been lost but i am posting from a Toronto view not Vancouver, infact Vancouver is the original base for Punjabi Mafia in Canada. so if anybody is from Vancouver post local Punjabi Mafia activites in your area to save article. The following is only from Toronto and recent activities. sorry i cannot get intouch with the old articles but will keep you informed with recent activities from now on.
 * http://www.thestar.com/News/article/179163 <<< Toronto News Article on proof of Punjabi Mafia connections from Canada Wide and also US America, article is most recent $20 Million of Cocaine seized on Feb 07, 2007.. <<Refers to Toronto Punjabi Mafia only... Not BC Vancouver. TorontoStar newspaper.
 * http://www.nriinternet.com/NRI_Drugs/CANADA/2007/7_Avtar_Sandhu_200Million_Cocain.htm <<< Same but article is based on Punjabi Community NewsPapers from Canada Toronto.
 * http://www.thestar.com/News/article/179468 <<<< Avtar Singh Sandhu case is still ongoing. He has been relased and had to surrender passport. Avtar statement said, he doesnt know English and demanded a Punjabi Speaking translator., I will keep you informed about Avtar's case
 * http://www.tribuneindia.com/2006/20061211/punjab1.htm
 * Punjabi Mafia in Canada
 * PM's Death Squad
 * Lets not forget the Bombing of Air India Flight 182 << Wiki External Link. Lets not forget the Bombing of Air India from Vancouver and many many Gun Shot Executions were taken place to prevent testamonial. Air India Case is also still going on upto Today. many victims in Toronto were also accused and executions were also taken place in Toronto. But still no arrests —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Keep Subject has notability. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete STRONG DELETE. I live in Punjab and this article is complete RUBBISH, POV & ORIGINAL RESEARCH. STRONG DELETE A INSULT TO WIKIPEDIA.--Sikh historian (talk) 01:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per tgies. (jarbarf) (talk) 06:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.