Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punta Gorda Middle School (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Charlotte County Public Schools. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Punta Gorda Middle School
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Fails WP:NORG and WP:NSCHOOL. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES tells us we don't have articles on middle schools unless there is something exceptional about it. Being destroyed by an act of God and rebuilt is a WP:1E event and speaks little, if at all, to notability. Between fires, floods, tornadoes and hurricanes, there are several US schools destroyed by acts of God annually. The only secondary sources are about the aftermath of the hurricane or transactional. Also,  all the secondary sources are local, failing WP:CORPDEPTH. John from Idegon (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. John from Idegon (talk) 22:50, 15 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm not really sure what has changed about this article since it was first nominated for deletion, other than information has just recently been removed (by someone who wants to delete the article) that should have been updated rather than removed. The whole middle schools get deleted and high schools get kept bit has been a quite controversial one, since it doesn't have a firm basis in WP:GNG, which states that there needs to be significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. The reason for keeping high schools and deleting middle schools is that a lot of middle schools don't have the kind of coverage this one does. The problem with merging the material to the district article or to the Hurricane Charley article is that we would really be giving PGMS undue attention in either of those articles to include all of the encyclopedic information currently in the PGMS article in one of them. AfD is not WP:Cleanup. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages)Have a blessed day. 23:51, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charlotte County Public Schools This came on my radar thanks to the trainwreck that was the Punta Gorda bus fight AfD, and I was ready to bring this to AfD myself. It's an average middle school (and middle schools go through hurricanes and get rebuilt like other schools), and though I'm sure the editor above is really proud of this article...they are also WP:INVOLVED (not in the admin sense) as someone who is from that school district (their userpage has that information, so there is NO outing involved here) and as one of their early Wiki creations. The text involved is a minor school official's WP:RESUME point, school stats that are fifteen years out of date, a mascot that 98% of the time, students never think about because middle school sports are never really competitive, and bog-standard information about how the new building is built to stronger hurricane codes (it would be unusual if they thumbed their nose at FEMA and built a shoddy structure).  Nate  • ( chatter ) 00:33, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I’m going to clarify that I am an alumnus of that school, but not otherwise affiliated with it; I work for Sarasota County Public Schools, not Charlotte County, and I was in high school when I wrote the article. I lean on the inclusionist side, but I’m curious what has changed about the notability guidelines that this article no longer meets GNG? I’m just curious, not angry or anything. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages)Have a blessed day. 01:50, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment As mentioned by JfI, SCHOOLOUTCOMES has really tightened up since 2007 to where only high school and high school equivalents get keeps, and middle schools are usually considered redirects with elementary schools due to the muddled state of American education (some districts have them in elementary/middle combos, some alone, some use the different junior high school concept and push it to tenth grade, and there's small cases where 4K-8 is elementary education). There's usually nothing outstanding about middle schools that justifies an article broadly here.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 04:04, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charlotte County Public Schools. As mentioned by John from Idegon this is really a WP:1E matter with no significant ongoing notability. -- Whiteguru (talk) 11:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete We require actual substantial coverage to show notability for a school that is not at least a high school, the coverage here is just routine.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note - As nominator, I'm fine with the redirect. We're here because my BOLD redirect to the district was reverted. A note for the article's creator: as of an RfC about 18 months ago, the automatic notability for high schools ended. We're not mass deleting existing articles routinely, but several high school articles have been deleted since. New school articles are now required to meet GNG. This article has never met GNG, as most of the sources are about the 1E event. It's great info to include in a notable article, and indeed it should be covered in the history section of the school district article. I'm all in favor of a merge of this info, along with a redirect of this article. John from Idegon (talk) 00:15, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Charlotte County Public Schools: per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES  // Timothy ::  talk  00:14, 19 September 2020 (UTC)


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