Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Punta Gorda bus fight


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy deleted, salted. Re-affirming prior deletion. Non-notable. Unambiguous WP:BLP violation. El_C 02:39, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Punta Gorda bus fight

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This article already deleted under A7 Looplips (talk) 04:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Because my article is very notable and I’ve included it in articles like Punta Gorda, Florida and Punta Gorda Middle School. The purpose of this article is to discuss a fight that occurred in May 2005. I don’t see any reason to have this article deleted. —PuntaGorda1 (talk) 05:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete AND salt Another 'cable news outrage of the day' story from before the days when a certain man now in Washington took over the American news channels; without it, this is a local story (and it certainly doesn't belong in the local article for the city...and that middle school article needs a redirect). I've removed the story from the PGMS and city article because those subjects have well-founded WP:BLP concerns mentioning a minor crime story in a city and school history.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 06:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Another comment Also taking the keep voter to WP:SPI based on Sockpuppet investigations/Jeffman12345. It's not every day when the sock just shows us to their drawer.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 06:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * And finally See this BLP minefield in userspace where the article is even worse...and in a blocked userspace to boot.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 07:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Additional comment As article creator shows no regard to respecting the privacy of those involved in this story, I have switched my vote! to delete and salt as they seem to not understand why this article is a BLP nightmare and are likely to re-create it anew.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , Now at MfD. It's a shame there isn't an XfD venue for multi-page nominations across namespaces. Adam9007 (talk) 02:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. There's no evidence that this incident has had any enduring significance. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. The nominator agreed yesterday to stop nominating articles for CSD and AfD. He agreed he did not have enough experience. So something needs to be done. A school bus fight in 2005 is not news unless it has further consequences for the participants or the community concerned.  --Whiteguru (talk) 11:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , The nominator didn't even provide a valid deletion rationale in this case (that previous iterations were deleted (for whatever reason) doesn't explain why this one should be). If it wasn't for the subsequent participation of others, this would have been eligible for speedy keep per WP:SKCRIT#1. Adam9007 (talk) 01:45, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Not withstanding how this was nominated, the way the page creator is trying to influence a keep (and the sockpuppetry demonstrated below) pretty well disqualifies this from a SK1 at this point.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep THIS IS NOTABLE! I’m trying to introduce the bus fight to Wikipedia. I’ve included sources, including from MSNBC and CNN. This is unfair. Instead of trying to delete the article, maybe work on it more. I vote keep again. —PuntaGorda1 (talk) 16:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment User:PuntaGorda1 has voted twice, so I've struck through their second vote. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 16:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There are sources covering the fight. It's even covered by CNN and MSNBC (as shown in the video by Contessa Brewer). I've included sources. This one is a good example. It talks about how it overdramatize the news. Another good example is this one. which shows other school violence incidents during the 2004 - 2005 school year. It proves that those two boys attended Punta Gorda Middle School. There is time to save this article before it gets deleted. --PuntaGorda1 (talk) 18:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment These two "boys" are about to be in their 30s in the next year or so. Kids get into trouble all the time, and this should not permanently memorialized on Wikipedia! Please read WP:BLP about why we aren't going to keep this.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 20:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment We could educate readers and Wikipedians about what happened that day . That’s why this article was created. (redacted link to a mugshot.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)) —PuntaGorda1 (talk) 21:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Please. Stop. Now! And immediately read WP:BLP. I don't know if you're out to ruin the lives of these people, but we are not going to link to anything that violates BLP. This entire article is a BLP violation and needs to go.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 21:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * There is the article AC Transit Bus fight . If the AC Transit Bus fight can have a article, so can the Punta Gorda bus fight. This article can stay and improvements can be made to the article before it gets deleted. We can give the Punta Gorda bus fight article a chance. There is time to save the article from deletion. Copyediting would be a good start. If no improvements can be made, it can be deleted. --PuntaGorda1 (talk) 01:11, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All of the charges involved with this incident have either been dropped, or long expired. I repeat again; WP:BLP is a serious matter. You have actually redirected the names of the subjects involved to this article, which I am asking for speedy deletion on. This had no long term effect on the city of Punta Gorda, its school system, or Charlotte County, Florida. No case law was established because of this incident. The latter link should be deleted too, but it at least pushed out a Hollywood film, so I have no cause to delete that myself. Stop ceasing on continuing to push this story.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 01:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This article needs to stay point and blank. It is part of the history of Punta Gorda. Page 88 in this book covers the fight as well. As I've said, we can work on this article and add improvements to it. We can do copyediting to the article as well. --PuntaGorda1 (talk) 01:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete- fundamentally unencyclopedic. Reyk YO! 19:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete not important, sources don't show sustained coverage. Creator is likely a sock and is definitely spamming other articles with WP:UNDUE content about this. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 01:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This is very notable. Details and accurate sources were provided. If AC Transit Bus fight can have an article, so can the Punta Gorda bus fight. The Punta Gorda bus fight received coverage on CNN, MSNBC, and NBC. There even is a video from MSNBC's Contessa Brewer regarding the fight. We can educate readers and Wikipedians about the bus fight that occurred in 2005. This article should definitely be kept. --PuntaGorda1 (alt) (talk) 01:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment And now added to the SPI. You are the worst sockmaster I have ever seen try to keep an article.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 02:08, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. Would be surprised if account isn't blocked by now for not being competent of the policies here. – The Grid  ( talk )  02:31, 12 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.