Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pure-FTPd


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The opinions here have refuted the issues of notability by detailing why the article meets the notability criteria with significant coverage in reliable sources. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang  The clock is ticking....  00:47, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Pure-FTPd

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The prod was removed. Fails WP:N. Joe Chill (talk) 13:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

No indication of wp:notability. Claims to have been around 15 years.....I guess that means something for a software product. I'd call real world notability unclear. North8000 (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Google gives 399K hits. No understandable reason for deletion is given ("The prod was removed" - what does that mean?).  Frodet (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * My reasoning is Wikipedia's notability guideline. Read WP:PROD for what a prod is. Google hits do not show notability. Joe Chill (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Still, I find no reason for deletion. Removal of a PROD is not a reason in itself.  I really don't see lack of notability.  It is included in practically every major Linux distribution.  It originates from Arnt Gulbrandsen, which is notable in it's own right.  There are several security alerts for this software (see http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-2152/Pureftpd.html).  Frodet (talk) 00:46, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I never said that a prod was a reason in itself. Normal deletion process is that articles come to AfD once a prod is removed. My reasoning is WP:N which you really need to read. Being included in major Linux distributions does not show notability per Wikipedia's notability guideline. Security alerts does not show notability either. Please understand that Wikipedia has strict rules on notability because even though it is online, it is still an encyclopedia. Joe Chill (talk) 01:05, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of WP:N. However, you have not stated what it lacks thereof.  Independent, reliable source?  To quote Beginning Ubuntu LTS Server Administration: From Novice to Professional By Sander Van Vugt: "FTP is another service that's quite popular on the web. It's popular because it makes sharing files so easy, and you can use several FTP servers on Ubuntu Server. One of the easiest and fastest of these is pure-ftpd."  Frodet (talk) 13:11, 13 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. I deleted the prod because there are many hits from major web documentation sites and also many book references  as mentioned by the person who placed the prod.  In the prod he said they didn't count because they were about how to use it, but WP:HOWTO is a guideline on how we write articles, not what sources we use.  The books make it clear that this is a basic tool that should be covered in any good encyclopedia with the space to do so. Wnt (talk) 12:49, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 22:24, 19 August 2011 (UTC)




 * Keep - This particular FTP server software is the subject of coverage in multiple reliable sources usually covering building servers. See, , and  as three examples of many that cover the subject. -- Whpq (talk) 14:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.