Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pure Fucking Armageddon


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The result was   redirect to Mayhem . Any content of permanent value can be merged at editor discretion to the target article EdJohnston (talk) 05:01, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Pure Fucking Armageddon

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article on demo without non trivial independent coverage. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The article calls it a demo, then calls it their "first official release". Which is it?   D ENNIS B ROWN  (T) (C) 18:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment This needs a few indie-sources and the wording needs to be made clear on whether it was released or not. Can anyone come forward with legit info? Amelia Nymph (talk) 18:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Most sources seem to list it as a demo. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 18:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So sources covering this subject do exist, then? Uncle G (talk) 21:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Using the "source" link in the article (fails wp:rs soundly), it just calls it a demo. I might have taken it on good faith if it have said "release". If it was a demo only, then WP:NALBUMS seems to say that the standard for sources is a bit higher, so my question is the same: demo or release? I would even consider two independent sources slightly south of wp:rs to help give us some guidance on this issue, if Hammer wants to share his findings.  Otherwise, it kinda forces me to take a default position of 'unsourced, unreleased demo' for a lack of evidence to the contrary.  D ENNIS B ROWN  (T) (C) 23:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No no no, this is a demo if anything is, it's their second, even their website calls it so (although I am having trouble accessing it properly at the moment). Some sources may call it a rehearsal tape, too. This comes from a metalhead (of sorts). If this gets deleted, sooner or later someone will come along recreating the article, because this tape is known. You're all gonna ask for sources, but I can only come up with one at the moment. Cheers, Ouro (blah blah) 08:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * M&R? People keep recreating articles on non-notable topics all the time, that is what salting is for. Maybe a merge is the best solution, with this becoming a redirect.  This is about as generous as I think we can be.  No one here can find evidence it passes as anything other than "a demo a lot of people have heard of".  Not pushing the idea, but does anyone else have a better idea?  Other wise, it will be at AFD again, and I think we have been as open minded and kind as you can be in an AFD. The next one might not be.  D ENNIS B ROWN  (T) (C) 13:09, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strongly support Merge and Redirect Dennis Brown's suggestions is an excellent one. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. What a great name for a CD.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.218.222.8 (talk) 02:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, too bad they didn't release a CD with that name.  D ENNIS B ROWN  (T) (C) 02:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect to the Mayhem article. Also consider adding your opinions to AFD: Tribute to the Black Emperors.  ~Asarlaí  20:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


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