Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Puteri Indonesia Lingkungan


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The result was keep. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 16:05, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Puteri Indonesia Lingkungan

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One of the titles of the losers in the pageant, who goes on to one of the lesser beauty pageants. Covered in parent article.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Given the sparse attendance of the previous AFD, I'm not really comfortable closing this one procedurally. Relisting to see if we can get more opinions.
 * Procedural close: We just did this two months ago, this was nominated for deletion in Articles for deletion/Puteri Indonesia Pariwisata with the very same arguments, please see that discussion for the Keep arguments that held the day. --GRuban (talk) 00:22, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Procedural close this discussion; and Keep Puteri Indonesia Lingkungan page, that previously discussed and agreed to be Keep before (nominated tandem with Articles for deletion/Puteri Indonesia Pariwisata) please kindly check the previous discussion and result that this two page is passed to be keep. - I Nyoman Gede Anila (talk) 13:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Allrighty, then. Let me explain by way of comparison. Miss America is a similar pageant, for which we have not three pages for the "losers", as the nominator refers to them (though I suspect the winners of those titles might consider that rather ungracious), but fifty two, for the state pageants (Miss Alabama, Miss Alaska, Miss Arizona, Miss Arkansas... plus Miss Puerto Rico and Miss Virgin Islands). They're not deleted to be "covered in the parent article", as they get independent coverage. Miss USA is a similar pageant, also for the United States of America ... again, we have fifty pages for the state pageants. (Miss Alabama USA, Miss Alaska USA, Miss Arizona USA ...) They're not left to be "covered in the parent article", as they get independent coverage. What's more, Miss USA isn't even the final stage, it just selects a candidate for Miss Universe. Should we say Miss USA is "covered in the parent article", Miss Universe? Indonesia is a country only slightly smaller than the United States, and cares more about beauty pageants. Puteri Indonesia gets proportionately not less but more attention than either Miss America or Miss USA. It is as deserving of sub-pages as the American pageants, if not more. Unlike the fifty plus fifty two subpageant pages, though, it only has two: Pariwisata and Lingkungan. Each title absolutely gets loads of press coverage, please see the list at Articles for deletion/Puteri Indonesia Pariwisata, and if that doesn't suffice I can double it in an hour. Each title meets WP:GNG. --GRuban (talk) 23:30, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


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