Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pyrocynical (Youtuber)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Pyrocynical (Youtuber)

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Appears to fail WP:NBIO, reliable sources do not mention him. The article is largely primary sourced or sourced to social media besides some unreliable gaming sites that mostly just cover a single controversy he was involved in. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 01:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment It should be improved. He is notable in drawn and views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supercopone (talk • contribs) 01:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Article is currently sourced to YouTube, KnowYourMeme, and Twitter, which is better than nothing but doesn't indicate passing WP:GNG of *reliable* sources covering him (WP:RS).  Note that there's a catastrophic BLP violation in the article currently discussing damaging claims sourced to Dexerto (unreliable per WP:VGRS), Twitter, and Reddit.  YIKES.  (Note that I just removed it, still doesn't speak well of the maintenance of the article.)  SnowFire (talk) 19:22, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or WP:TNT. The sourcing isn't up to par (16/23 current sources are from his YouTube channel, which isn't exactly independent from the subject. From what I can tell, only the Distractify article could be considered a reliable source for this article.), and the article itself has some big issues with it (the "Humour" section is effectively a trivia section, and the "YouTube Career" section reads like a timeline). I couldn't find any proper sources through a cursory look, but if people can find them I say blow it up. If not, delete. OctaviusSlockpit (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Given the weight of the grooming allegations, much better sources are required than a Distractify piece and YouTube sources.-- Mvqr (talk) 11:50, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete No SIGCOV in independent sources to justify an inclusion.VirenRaval89 (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete – Fails WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, and WP:ARTIST.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  21:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - Before any admin closes this discussion, I would like to add my two cents. There appears to be another Pyrocynical draft titled after his real name, which contains three sources from The Daily Dot. However I'm not sure if these sources constitute due weight, and the third reference is quite brief - it just calls him a "LeafyIsHere clone." Beyond that, there's an Insider source, a couple of brief mentions from Polygon, and a brief EGM source, but of the sources that give him significant coverage (as in 100 words or more), they're of either WP:BLPCRIME material or egregiously silly things (drinking Belle Delphine's bathwater).
 * At best, one might extract that he's a popular commentary channel like Cr1TiKaL whose opinions on issues surrounding the YT community have been very briefly synthesized in reliable sources. But I don't think it would extend the article beyond a stub, unless we add the BLP crime sources or a whole bunch of original research/YT videos. PantheonRadiance (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sidenote: Also I would like to comment that this discussion wouldn't have happened had user not moved the draft to mainspace, when they should've known better that 1: there was already a draft for Pyro which had been declined numerous times for the same issues brought up here, and 2: WP guidelines are extremely strict when it comes to YouTubers, and this article at hand was the exact opposite of what this site considers notable. I'd suggest a Draftify or Redirect to the previous draft, as at least that one has some of the secondary sources that I found, and isn't referenced bombed with unreliable sources. PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


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