Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Q-Bus card list


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Q-Bus card list

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WP:NOTDIR & WP:NOTEVERYTHING - just because we have a single reference (the company's official handbook) doesn't mean that we have to replicate every single entry in the contents section. This list of obsolete 1970s and 1980s computer interface and memory cards adds zero value to Wikipedia and is already summarised to good effect in the parent article Q-Bus. If anything, the sentence there that states "A wide range of interface cards are available for the Q-Bus." could be expanded with a short list grouping the different types of interface. It could also be that this list, being lifted from the source, is copyvio if the descriptions in the function column are lifted word for word - as some seem to be. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Products-related deletion discussions. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. 10mmsocket (talk) 07:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd separated it from the parent page in question as IMHO the list was overly long and distracting; deleting this page would therefore be an overall removal of information that existed prior to the page's creation, which isn't to say it shouldn't be done but that some caution should be exercised if that wasn't the intended result. The alternative is to re-merge it back into the Q-Bus page but that would simply take us back to where we started (unless the list can be collapsed; I don't know enough about the finer points of Wiki code to know if that's possible nor how it would be accomplished).
 * I also dunno if I'm supposed to write "disagree" or "oppose" or something like that in a fancy colour!
 * --Vometia (talk) 08:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Further edit: I'd also remark that "zero value" is rather PoV. Old systems, their research and restoration are seeing a lot of popularity so the information is valuable to those people and its removal therefore unhelpful: what is Wikipedia's value if not to people who are searching for that information? --Vometia (talk) 08:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at other legacy (or even current) bus systems, e.g. VME, ATA, SBUS, UNIBUS, I do not see any other lists of cards. There is a perfectly good and accessible list of Q-BUS cards in the single reference on the article Digital Microcomputer Products Handbook 1985. I don't see why that guide needs to be replicated as a Wikipedia article. Whether the list is here or back in the original article doesn't get around the fact it is way more detail than is necessary. 10mmsocket (talk) 09:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Depends on one's definition of "necessary"; trouble is, it's a rather subjective measure. tbh I don't have a lot invested either way and as mentioned previously, the article's creation was specifically to remove clutter from the parent.  But I tend to fall on the side of being loath to nuke potentially useful information.  I guess I disagree with the deletionist stance as the dividing line between useful/useless is an absolute judgement based on an arbitrary cut-off point of the particular deletionist's own devising.  Anyway, that's probably a discussion for elsewhere (and another one I'm not all that invested in), my point is that I don't see what is gained by deleting it but I see potential problems with doing so. --Vometia (talk) 11:48, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  10:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * keep - as above. Disagree with rationale to delete; alternative is to re-merge back into parent article but I don't favour that as a solution as I split this overly-long section to shorten article to reasonable length. --Vometia (talk) 12:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is not appropriate for wikipedia. The list can be referenced in the main article. --Bduke (talk) 00:42, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * comment: I moved it from the main article because I figured it was clutter (i.e. unduly verbose compared to rest of article, not irrelevant). While I don't really see what is gained by re-merging it I have no especially strong objection and it would be preferable to simply deleting it. --Vometia (talk) 04:06, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated to add: I would re-merge it back myself if I could figure out how to get mw-collapsed to work. Which I can't, so if anybody wants to clue me in...  --Vometia (talk) 04:21, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete There's just no reason to have this.  It's not encyclopedic content, it's just a parts catalog. PianoDan (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR & WP:NOTEVERYTHING.4meter4 (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. As stated above. Wikipedia isn't a regurgitation of what is in effect a glorified parts catalog. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Well, thanks to all the people who said "delete" and declined to offer advice when asked; and then deleted it without notifying me. Cheers for (yet another) example of Wikipedia's hostility. Every time I edit anything here it doesn't take long before I'm reminded of why I mostly stopped doing so years back. --Vometia (talk) 12:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)