Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qatar–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  14:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Qatar–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict

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This is very clearly a WP:FORK of 2017–18 Qatar diplomatic crisis. The chronological scope of this "proxy conflict", which supposedly makes it special enough to have a standalone article, goes back to the 2002-2008 period, during which Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador from Qatar. However, no RS from back then describe the tension as a "proxy" conflict (nothing I've found describes it as a "rivalry" either). And this is already mentioned with similar detail in the 'Background' section of the diplomatic crisis article. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 10:48, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as a CFORK; the Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict exists but I don't see any evidence the Qatar-Saudi dispute is a "proxy conflict". Neutral as to a redirect to 2017–18 Qatar diplomatic crisis. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 17:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep sufficient enough coverage as a separate topic. I wish to add, Qatar's diplomatic crisis involves other countries as well, this topic is specifically about Qatar and Saudi Arabia.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:34, 18 May 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Does appear to be a fork. I don't see how synthesis is not a factor. There are 86 references and I did not run across anything to do with any "proxy" that would be what, a Proxy war? . Even the use of the word, apparently just taken at face value, is confusing and I don't see a "proxy conflict" either. Equally confusing is the above statement, "this topic is specifically about Qatar and Saudi Arabia". The article does not indicate this nor the sources provided that include a multitude of countries. Otr500 (talk) 00:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Of course to leave. What can we talk about here? The significance is obvious, the sources too. -Victoria III (talk) 23:16, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC) Fitzcarmalan (talk) 05:47, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The conflict between the two states is highly significant to the Syrian civil war, and the article should be edited as to reflect as such, not deleted. Plumber (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Which is why we already have 2017–18 Qatar diplomatic crisis for you to edit. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 04:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This article is about a proxy conflict between Qatar and the KSA which largely intensified since the Arab Spring began in 2011, especially after protests in Bahrain. Otr500 is right that the article should perhaps be renamed; perhaps the Second Arab Cold War? Since your comment, the article has been revised to better reflect its scope, though there is always room for improvement. There is information from other Arab Spring pages (Al Nusra, Libyan Civil War, Syrian Civil War), which would probably be better on this article (especially since many of those articles are too long and convoluted), but the response should be to further edit the article. To delete this page entirely would strike at the heart of NPOV. Plumber (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This conflict you speak of (the one that "largely intensified since the Arab Spring began in 2011") is hardly even notable to warrant a standalone article. And we already have a 'Background' section in the Qatar crisis article to cover that, as I noted above. Saudi Arabia has very little to do with Libya, and it doesn't appear to have a quarrel with Ahrar al-Sham in Syria. Qatar has no issue with HTS (formerly al-Nusra) either. In fact, it is still being accused of collusion with HTS. What might be a significant topic is the Qatar-UAE rivalry, but that's another subject. And, in case you're seriously thinking about it, can you tell me how many reliable sources (if any) refer to this supposed proxy conflict as a "Second Arab Cold War"? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 05:47, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The article perhaps should be retitled to include the de facto Saudi / UAE alliance, which does exist in Libya. Reliable sources regularly indicate the UAE plays the junior role to the Saudis within the GCC. Indeed, the lack of a COMMONNAME is why the article is titled so. I still see no reason why the article should be deleted &mdash; the rivalry of Qatar and Saudi Arabia in Syria in particular is a major reason why Assad was able to hold out during 2013, and the resulting repercussions have vastly affected the Middle East, the European Union, Russia, and the United States. This article is far more significant than article on the 2017-2018 Qatar crisis, and I was highly surprised it did not exist until recently. Plumber (talk) 06:13, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


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