Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qiao Qiao


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 00:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Qiao Qiao

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Only claim to notability ("first Lesbian singer") appears highly dubious, and there's no other claim of notability. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 03:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment The full quote is "China's first lesbian singer" (ie, out), which is rather more plausible. (And the claim is sourced as well). While the source isn't the NYT, it does appear to be genuine (ie, not a self-pub/autobio). B figura  (talk) 03:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 03:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep - The fact that the editor proposing deletion did not take the 40 seconds it would have taken to notify the article's creator shows bad faith, and reinforces the suspicion that this is a disruptive proposal. Badagnani (talk) 03:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:AFD clearly indicates that notification is optional. When an "optional" notification suddenly becomes mandatory in your mind, it makes it clear that you are the one being disruptive.  --Nlu (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The AfD has been up for less than an hour, and (obviously) no consensus exists. Additionally, notifying the article's creator is optional, not mandatory. Unless I'm missing something, wouldn't the better idea be to assume Nlu was acting in good faith and merely forgot to notify the creator? Either way, I went ahead and notified User:Emiellaiendiay, the creator of the article. -- Irixman (t) (m) 03:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - No, because the editor told me him/herself that s/he would not do so. I informed him/her that to do so would show courtesy, yet s/he maintained that s/he would not do so. Badagnani (talk) 04:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment That shows discourtesy, but not bad faith. --Dhartung | Talk 04:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Discourtesy, bad faith, and uninformed AFDing--all combine to create a situation that is not conducive to the positive furthering of our project. Any doubts, just look in at Articles for deletion/Abing. Badagnani (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep on the grounds that being China's first 'out' lesbian singer probably confers some notability B figura  (talk) 04:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep, substantial claim of notability, although she probably fails WP:MUSIC per se. I've added various reliable sources. --Dhartung | Talk 04:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Being the first openly lesbian artist in China definitely makes her notable. Klausness (talk) 14:05, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - not sure that she passes WP:MUSIC, but passes WP:N. As above, being the first openly lesbian artist in China is definitely noatble, and coverage seems sufficient. -- Beloved Freak  16:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as above meets our notability guidelines for reasons expressed by Klausness and others. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 17:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly meets WP:N with the sources listed. Aleta  Sing 21:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per all the above. --Bardin (talk) 14:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keepAn artist coming out in a society as repressive and as important as China is notable. --Simon Speed (talk) 01:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep China has loosened up on homosexuality to some degree so I'm hesitant to keep on the lesbian basis. (Besides which I would not be shocked if it turned out there had been openly lesbian singers in Republican or dynastic China) Still she is apparently notable enough to be the subject of legitimate media outside herself.--T. Anthony (talk) 07:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.