Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quagmire family


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. This AfD was not well attended, but it seems clear that there's a consensus to delete all of the articles nominated. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:02, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Quagmire family

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The Quagmire family is simply not notable; the series is, but notability is not inherited. Even the triplets are only secondary characters, and each triplet appears in no more than 3 books, along with occasional mentions in a couple more. In addition, the page contains original research such as "Quigley's first name may be a reference to Lillian Fox Quigley", far too much detail in description and completely trivial sections such as "Isadora's couplets". It's best to just delete the page and write a small section about the triplets and smaller section about the parents in List of supporting A Series of Unfortunate Events characters: it's probably not even worth using the current article as a starting point, because it's far too detailed and still gives undue weight to trivial details about characters mentioned off-hand (e.g. "According to Quigley, Mr. Quagmire used to say, "A good meal can cheer one up considerably."").

Additionally, there are too many list articles for the characters: this makes it hard to navigate for readers. In this instance, a person may expect to find the Quagmires when looking at List of supporting A Series of Unfortunate Events characters, but this is even more apparent in articles listed below. For instance, Carmelita Spats should certainly not fall under V.F.D. members and probably not Count Olaf's theater troupe either.

The following articles all follow the same pattern, and I am therefore also nominating them for deletion. For other, slightly more notable articles like Baudelaire family or Beatrice Baudelaire, separate nominations may still be warranted, but I have not nominated them here.
 * honestly, just look at how much text is written about Carmelita Spats to see how much fancruft is in the article. Better to delete the article and re-write character descriptions.
 * I'm not sure Jacob Snicket or Little Snicket are notable enough to deserve a single mention anywhere on Wikipedia; mentions of the Denouements are tangential and possibly WP:OR.
 * no more notable than the white-faced women or any other troupe member.
 * the most notable of the theater troupe, much more than the bald man, but still just a trivial character. Compare with, for instance, Lucius Malfoy, who doesn't get his own article, despite being a more important character in a more notable series.
 * more notable than both of the above troupe members, obviously, as it contains them both and several more characters. However, there is still too much detail. I would also argue the title is a misnomer; Fiona, Lulu, Ernest or the sinister duo should definitely not be filed under there. The wart-faced man and Orwell probably do not belong there either. Possibly, you could merge some other characters in there and rename the article Antagonists from A Series of Unfortunate Events, but then you've got a problem with Hugo, Kevin and Colette. The article could be used for a starting point when merging wherever it ends up: it's not in as bad shape as some others nominated above. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 10:15, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 13:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Bilorv (Talk)(Contribs) 13:04, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 01:35, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


 * The entire Lemony Snicket portal appears to have these sorts of issues, the talk page seems to have problems with forum-like posts since 2007, and there are a few comments about fixing the issues dating back to 2009 but obviously nothing has come of that. I agree that a lot of this information is unnecessary and definitely needs to be condensed down into even just a list or two of general characters. Even the wikia entries contain less information on these characters. Luluagain (talk) 09:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 03:32, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * A rather complex case this. In my opinion, there should be a single article for the characters of the Series of Unfortunate Events, where as much or as little detail is warranted on any character who is relevant. There's certainly no need for all of these poorly sourced and overly fluffed-out articles. Wikipedia is not a fan site, and as Luluagain pointed out, even the Wikia of this franchise has less fluff. So Delete or merge. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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