Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quantel Lotts


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The result was   merge to Youth incarceration in the United States. This is a BLP1E, and therefore does not merit it's own article based on the level of notability. All relevant information can easily be included into the destination article. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  essay  // 09:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Quantel Lotts

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Can't see anything unique about this case. The citations all mention this case in passing as one of a growing number of cases of juvenile incarceration. At best, this could be merged into Youth incarceration in the United States or American juvenile justice system. --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 02:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 02:46, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * That's not correct: the New York Times has an article about Lotts specifically; it fairly goes on to contextualize the case and address the problem of juvenile sentencing more broadly. CNN similarly has a long piece specifically about Lotts, also including a broader commentary. The Guardian has an article about Lotts and a video interview with him.


 * Many more sources reference Lotts tangentially, including the Associated Press, UPI, the Equal Justice Initiative, the Austin-American Statesman, USA Today, the Missouri Lawyers Media; a series of smaller news outlets or blogs address his case directly or tangentially. As the New York Times explains, Lotts' case is emblematic of the issue of life imprisonment without parol for minors, of harsh sentences for minors in the U.S., and Lotts has received more attention because his youth at the time of his brother's death makes his case more powerful when challenging life imprisonment for minors. -Darouet (talk) 03:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Mild delete. Subject doesn't meet qualifications for perpetrators at WP:CRIMINAL. Coverage seems to be using it as an example of perceived extreme situations in the juvenile justice system, and the Wikipedia tendency is not to give articles for examples, but to accept noted ones as examples in topic articles. --Nat Gertler (talk) 04:16, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, as the article's author. I think the details of Lotts' case and the coverage it received, in some large newspapers and in many smaller ones, merit an article. I think the case is important enough that I'm not writing "mild keep," but there are obviously more important ones, so I don't think I should write "strong keep" either. -Darouet (talk) 04:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - The subject meets WP:BASIC and has received ongoing coverage in reliable sources. Source examples include, , , . Northamerica1000(talk) 07:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 07:07, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Redirect to Youth incarceration in the United States or another appropriate article. The subject fails WP:BLP1E, and basically while there are sources noted above, these all appear to use Lotts as the example of the problem, and not specifically how Lotts' case is notable. He should be called out in an article highlight problems with youth incarceration, but not as a standalone article. --M ASEM (t) 15:00, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Significant ongoing coverage in multiple reliable international sources per WP:GNG. He has become a media poster child for a class of criminals. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 18:39, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also used as an archetypal criminal during a US Congressional hearing. (pg. 5) Independent of the crime it confers notability after the crime as a representative figure, along with the other media sources CNN, NYT, Guardian etc.. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 18:46, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * But if his relevancy is as an example for those topics, then it seems that under WP:CRIMINAL (A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person) we should be looking at the merge suggestions of the nominator. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: subject does meet WP:BASIC, and the substantial coverage Lotts has received, from his incarceration to subsequent debate over juvenile detention or prosecution, suggests that he is distinct from the many others with similar circumstances who would not, nevertheless, merit their own article. That said, the guidelines set out under WP:CRIMINAL and WP:BLP1E arguably apply here, and suggest a mechanism for including information in this article elsewhere. So, whatever everyone decides in the end, I'm fine with that! -Darouet (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge to Youth incarceration in the United States. In my view, even though there are enough sources here to confirm Lotts' notability, this is a WP:BLP1E case and it would be better not to have a standalone article on the subject.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC).
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