Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qudsia Ali


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 05:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Qudsia Ali

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The subject doesn't meet the NACTOR. Why? Because their roles in TV shows/films listed on the BLP are minor, not major. Additionally, the GNG also does not meet due to the absence of sig/in-depth coverage about her. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 10:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 10:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy Keep meeting WP:NACTOR. Nominator is unable to understand any rationale, nominating all articles created by me despite meeting criteria of wikipidea. The roles she played have received significant coverage. Providing some coverage from reliable sources for proving my point.


 * The Express Tribune.


 * Daily Times.


 * Daily Times.


 * BBC News.


 * DAWN


 * The Express Tribune


 * Daily Jang


 * Dawn Images


 * The Nation


 * Daily Pakistan


 * Dawn Images Libraa2019 (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, Let's decide first whether we'll assess this BLP based on NACTOR or GNG ? — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * One can check by reading those sources, how much important roles she has played in her career. Her roles have received significant coverage in reliable sources. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, That reply didn't quite answer my question. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 11:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are unable to understand any rationale and clearly not ready to listen others despite of them proving their points. Any ways, i dont have much time to spend as i am engaged in personal life. Good luck with your mission. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Women.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep @Libraa2019 has done a great job showing notability. Marleeashton (talk) 19:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Marleeashton, But I can't see tha! May you can provide WP:THREE best coverage that would establish GNG? — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 19:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You don’t need to be proven correct, this is about consensus. @Libraa2019 just gave you many sources and has more than satisfied what you requested. Marleeashton (talk) 23:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This isn't just about reaching a consensus; it's also about providing reasoned arguments based on policy to justify whether a page should be kept or deleted. Merely stating WP:PERNOM doesn't suffice. Please understand that I mean no offense. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 09:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete - Despite the sources provided by Libraa2019, there is nothing that can be used towards establishing notability. The references fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA with the exception of the BBC piece which is an interview. I'd be willing to re-evalute should someone be able to provide some sources that do not fall under NEWSORGINIDA, are not interviews, talk about her in detail, and are otherwise considered reliable. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am unable to understand how suddenly policies of wikipidea became that much strict. You are voting delete in most of the AFD's discussion initiated by Saqib (at which i am no one to object) but here i presented 11 reliable and approved news sources but you call them WP:NEWSORGINDIA which is a little bias. The Express Tribune is a leading English newspaper from Pakistan, Same goes for The Nation, DAWN, Daily Times, Daily Jang and others mentioned by me. i did'nt mentioned any unreliable source and they are not WP:NEWSORGINDIA as these sources are used in most of the B, C and Good rated Pakistani articles. Please again review these sources.


 * The Express Tribune mentioned her most of the work in this source
 * Daily Times states XXL features big names from the Pakistani media industry with Qudsia Ali in the main role
 * BBC News states It has been three years since Pakistani actress Qudsia Ali stepped into the industry but she has been successful in her every project
 * DAWN states Another dissonant note is the casting of Qudsia Ali as the “fat character” Tania who is constantly scolded for being overweight, despite being barely 10 pounds above a normal frame

And the list goes on. One can self check on google. Libraa2019 (talk) 14:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Libraa2019, No policy or even GNG has become stricter overnight; it's just that the community at large were overlooking Pakistani articles citing unreliable sources or dubious coverage. Despite numerous explanations across various pages, it seems you're still struggling to grasp that we're not deeming these Pakistani publications unreliable; rather, we're questioning the coverage provided by these sources, which falls under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. It's as simple as that. It's regrettable to say that COMPETENCE is definitely missing here. Please take a moment to review WP:GNG and WP:SIRS and try to comprehend it. Merely being in the news or receiving some ROTM coverage or paid placement is, while OK for WP:V, but not for establishing GNG. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Saqib, you are assuming things yourself, The Express Tribune is a reliable daily newspaper and so as others mentioned above. If you are claiming they are paid or dubious coverage then where is the evidence?? And if they are covered under WP:NEWSORGINDIA then where is the consensus?? I dont see any such thing on that page. You can start a seperate discussion about reliability of these sources if you consider them paid or dubious but currently just because you are against these reliable and approved sources does'nt make them unreliable or paid. You can include admins here as i am sure if these sources are dubious then wikipidea seniors would not permit these sources in B, C and Good rated Pakistani articles but that is not the case. Thank You. Libraa2019 (talk) 15:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Look, it seems you're not getting my point OR perhaps you're choosing not to hear it. I'm not labeling these sources unreliable. Please give another look at my comments. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are taking it to somerwhere else, i got your point and also mentioned, please share an evidence that these are dubious or unreliable coverage. Libraa2019 (talk) 15:52, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess sometimes we just need to rely on WP:COMMONSENSE to understand what sort of coverage amounts to paid placements. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are rejecting more than 12 reliable sources on the basis of common sense. That page does'nt even mention such things. As i earlier said, you are assuming things yourself and accusing these authentic newspapers of dubious and unreliable coverage without any evidence. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: Sources presented seem to show she had significant roles in notable productions and that is the requirement to meet WP:NACTOR - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  15:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mushy Yank, @Libraa2019 provided four references above [date stamped 15:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)] to claim that the subject played a major role in Kuch Ankahi. However, upon reviewing all references, I couldn't find a single mention of her playing a major role in Kuch Ankahi. Therefore, how does she meet NACTOR here? The same applies to other dramas; she didn't have major roles, and if she did, the Short film XXL, themselves aren't noteworthy enough. I hope this clarifies the issue. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 15:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If someone is presenting sources, then you are calling them unreliable. If someone is counting roles of her then you are calling them minor roles despite her roles received significant coverage. Sorry to say but i dont understand. And i never claim she played a major role in Kahi Ankahi. Its your assumptions by reading those sources may be as all the sources mentioned her role as significant/impactful whether negatively like this or positively like these   but the thing is that her roles are receiving coverage. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep. I'm with Mushy Yank on this (though I would by way of advice encourage Libraa2019 to be more concise in future discussions). Hydrangeans (she/her &#124; talk &#124; edits) 09:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but Libraa2019  has not provided any references showing that the actor had major roles in a TV drama. Additionally, most of the TV dramas subject acted in are not notable themselves, not because they lack WP pages, but because they don't have the sig/in-depth coverage required by GNG.  Libraa2019  has simply thrown out several references, potentially to confuse the closing admin and lead to a no-consensus outcome. I appreciate your opinion, though. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 09:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty of good refs here. Desertarun (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Desertarun, WP:ATA — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 16:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


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