Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Que Angelitos


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Stifle (talk) 08:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Que Angelitos

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Sent to draft for improvement, but returned to mainspace without any. Currently, there is one semi-decent source (Primera Hora), but the others are either not significant coverage or unreliable sources. Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 10:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Puerto Rico.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'll have to vote keep because I created the article, and also, Primera Hora is a reliable source. Keep in mind, this show was produced in Puerto Rico in 1986, so reliable sources might be harder to come by.Antonio Hard Pill Martin (queeeee?) 22:44, 1 May, 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sorry, but there is nothing "semi-decent" about Primera Hora one of the major island-wide news dailies in Puerto Rico, publishing for over a quarter of a century. I also expanded a cite from La Perla del Sur, a Puerto Rican weekly that has published for nearly half a century. In addition, the show ran on Canal 4, the longest-running TV network in Puerto Rico, and was produced by Elín Ortiz, whose notability has been undisputed by the public at large and certainly by us Wikipedia editors for nearly 20 years as the article's History will show. Mercy11 (talk) 13:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - when I said "semi-decent" that was referring to the depth of coverage, not the quality of the publication. The La Perla link is dead. Onel 5969  TT me 19:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing the problem with the La Perla del Sur link I had added via this edit here. I have corrected the error via this new edit here. The link I previously intended to include was this one. You may want to re-check it now.
 * As for your response to my comment above where you clarified that your "semi-decent" comment referred to depth of coverage and not to the quality of the publication, I will take that be your personal opinion and perception as you didn't include any source to back up your statement. In any event, in discussion of this nature what matters is whether or not the source, Primera Hora (PH) in this case, is a WP:RS, and the editor who posted it obviously believes it is. I will second his believe, btw. Of course, if anyone believes PH fails WP:RS, WP provides this forum to challenge that.
 * Regards, Mercy11 (talk) 01:14, 3 May 2023 (UTC)


 * comment - first of all I want to say Onel5969, you have gained my respect because, unlike some others, you nominate articles without accusing the originator of agendas or such; I want to thank you for that and offer my respects to you. That aside, the article is in its entirety about the show. Antonio who as of now should be known here as Jeanette, and who forgot to copy-paste her name on this line here Martin (come to mamma!( 00;18, April 3, 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Well-known children's comedy. It aired on WAPA TV for 5 seasons.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * comment - its already been 8 days...shouldnt this debate be closed as a keep? Antonio Kiss Me Martin (queeeee?) 15:34, 9 May, 2023 (UTC)
 * User:AntonioMartin The policy on this, as I recall, is once 7 days have passed without further valid comments. The last such entry made as on 21:19, 5 May 2023, so the earliest (i.e., even the 7 days is not a mandate) would be 21:19, 12 May 2023, if there are no further valid comments made in between. BTW, not sure "valid" is the wording used in the guideline but, as an example, asking "can an admin or uninvolved editor please close this discussion?", would count towards the 7 days, that is, such entries wouldn't "reset" the 7-day clock back to zero. Mercy11 (talk) 01:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This isn't correct. Closures happen from 7 days after the discussion begins, but not always exactly. There are not many admins and a lot of admin work. Stifle (talk) 08:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment - None of the keep !votes is actually based in policy. Onel 5969  TT me 23:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * User:onel5969 Have you been to the article since you posted your AfD? It has been edited 15 times by 3 editors and, in the process, the number of cites in the article have doubled from 7 to 13. If you haven't, then I suggest you go there first. If you have, then I am not sure what world you are living in that you are even talking about votes when the mere upgrade to the article makes this discussion moot at this point. Please get real; votes become fundamentally a nonissue if the article has been brought up to standards. And, frankly, IMO, the article already met standards when you posted your AfD anyway and, speaking for myself, upgrading the article further was done because I was thinking we were dealing with a reasonable editor, which you do not appear to be. WP:SNOWBALL) Mercy11 (talk) 01:22, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Puerto Rican television series. The show is verifiable, but there doesn't appear to be enough to demonstrate notability. I was hoping to locate an entry in a book about children television shows or something similar, but all that I come up with is the Primera Hora article. I would be fine with draftify, but if this remains in mainspace this should point to the list article. A line or two from the article would be all that entry needs I think. If other sourcing appears (likely to be off-line sourcing I imagine) the article can be broken back out. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)


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