Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Queen of Cactus Cove


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Alia Shawkat. Liz Read! Talk! 21:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Queen of Cactus Cove

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Completely unreferenced article about a short film, not making a strong claim to passing WP:NFILM. As usual, we don't always want an article about every single film that exists -- we only want articles about films that can be properly referenced as having a credible notability claim, such as notable film awards (which is not the same thing as all film awards) and/or critical attention from reputable film critics in real media. But the only notability claim being attempted here is awards from small-fry film festivals that aren't being properly sourced to demonstrate that they're seen as notable awards in the first place, which isn't enough. We're looking for major film festivals on the order of Cannes, Berlin, Toronto or Sundance when it comes to film festival awards, not the "Angelus Awards Student Film Festival". Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and United States of America. Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Albeit a short film, this was Alia Shawkat's first starring role, and is thus a major part of her career. If others think the film does not meet notability then, instead of deleting, redirect to Alia Shawkat. --Bensin (talk) 14:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Unsourced films don't get notability freebies just because of who happened to be in them. The notability test requires the film to be the subject of media coverage, and who was or wasn't in the cast cannot exempt a film from having to have sources. Bearcat (talk) 15:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * According to WP:Notability (film), one inclusion criterion to consider is "The film features significant involvement (i.e., one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of their career." That's why I mentioned that is was a major part of Shawkat's career. The requirement for sourcing has not been disputed. --Bensin (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have no issue with this redirecting to Shawkat's article, however the film itself just isn't notable. The catch with the part of NFILM mentioned above is that there would need to be coverage to show that this is actually a major part of their career. There would need to be sourcing that discusses the film in relation to Shawkat, Shawkat herself discussing the film, and so on. The film is listed as part of her filmography, but there's no mention of this being a landmark role for her. She doesn't really discuss it, nor is it really covered in any of the books or articles out there about Shawkat. There's no mention of it being responsible for launching her career, nor really anything at all. This part of NFILM is meant to cover things like Jim Carrey's Rubberface, Tom Hanks's Mazes and Monsters and Sandra Bullock's Hangmen (film), films that haven't gotten a huge amount of coverage but are frequently mentioned as some of their early roles, particularly Mazes and Monsters. I suppose another unsaid thing is that to give notability by association the actor would have to be extremely notable, as the more notable an actor is, the more coverage there would be of them and thus the more likely it would be that they would start talking about their first major roles. I just don't see this being the case here. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  12:23, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to harsh a buzz here, just that I don't see this being a super major part of her career. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  12:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's OK! I see your point. I am fine with redirecting to the article about Shawkat. --Bensin (talk) 19:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.