Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quiet Internet Pager


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The result was   delete. NW ( Talk ) 22:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Quiet Internet Pager

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Non-notable. After contested prod, three sources were added:
 * 1) Softpedia - user generated site that has accepted uploaded press releases as reviews
 * 2) ICQhelp - two sentences about QIP that says exist. This is the type of trivial mention that WP:N hates.
 * 3) Computer Forensics - the trivialest of trivial mentions. QIP appears in a list with several other clients, in an article that mentions dozens of clients.

This software is not notable, per WP:N. Period. Miami33139 (talk) 22:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

They have 3rd-party add-on capabilities, skinning, PDA versions, Smartphones, Windows platform and, a skin designing program. I have to say that this is pretty deep seated and a well set up program (after testing it) and is notable. Perhaps not notable to the American public but is notable to the Russian public (after all, it is hosted on a Russian site.) I say keep after some edits pointing to the information for the site. However I think it should be moved and translated to the Russian side of Wikipedia --Apb91781 (talk) 06:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC) — Apb91781 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep: A simple Google search pulls up www.qip.ru with their forums located at http://forum.qip.ru/


 * Keep Seems like its quite notable to Russian speaking people. As for your comment, "This is the type of trivial mention that WP:N hates.", I'd like to point out that the guideline can't actually hate anything, only the people who created it can, and they of course hate anything that requires them to think for themselves, preferring to destroy every single article that doesn't have a news source they have heard of giving coverage to something.  Of course, there are many notable things out there which aren't covered at all, such as some bestselling novels.  So you have to think for yourself, ignore the suggested guidelines, they just suggestions not policy, and use common sense.  How many millions of people use this software?  That makes it notable.   D r e a m Focus  21:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Why would Russian speakers be reading about a Russian program on an English wikipedia server? --CCFreak2K (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If its notable in any country, its notable everywhere.  D r e a m Focus  14:52, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The wikipedias are split into language versions, not by territory --85.132.159.239 (talk) 19:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong delete. ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE, internet forums are not indicators of notability (in the encyclopedic sense) nor are they reliable as a source for any encyclopedia, including this one. (!!!)  Please please please get this through your heads.  :(  JBsupreme (talk) 05:48, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Again, non notable software with zero significant coverage.  Triplestop  x3  22:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong keep Although I QIP strongly dislike becuase its nonstandard encoding see PidginIM bug-ticket. But back to the point QIP is one of the main replacements of the original ICQ client along with Miranda. In my opinion the client may not be recognised in US beacuse of much lower popularity of the ICQ protocol than in Eastern Europe. I know this is not a reliable source but for those that vote for delete bucause they have not heard of it,I have gone trough my buddy list and loggs and I can tell you that about 80 people have messaged me from QIP for more than one session from an ICQ contact list of about 150 people. Don't delete pages just because you assume, get the information to make wikipedia better your own way. Google or ask people. It doesnt have to be notable to everyone, just to a portion of people that are insterested in the topic.--85.132.159.239 (talk) 19:38, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. 83.254.210.47 (talk) 13:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. 83.254.210.47 (talk) 13:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. 83.254.210.47 (talk) 13:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
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