Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quintus Flavius Egnatius Placidus Severus


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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:41, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Quintus Flavius Egnatius Placidus Severus

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Fails WP:NOTGENEALOGY, no indication of notability (what offices he held, what he did that makes him stand out), and lacks significant WP:COVERAGE in sources. The creator was known for creating articles of the sort indiscriminately, and is long since banned apparently because of it. 11 years later and nobody has even bothered to place the article in a Wikiproject or relevant categories. Avilich (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Avilich (talk) 17:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: Subject was co-head (vicar) of the diocese of Italy in 365. Does this qualify him for WP:NPOL? 15 (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * NPOL: "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability". We only know him as a footnote of sorts, no WP:COVERAGE of any actual activity of his. Avilich (talk) 15:55, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you provide s source for that? Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , p. 239 of the source at the bottom of the article ( not open access). 15 (talk) 15:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That source (Settipani) isn't academic, it's a work on genealogy of very questionable reliability. The only primary source for Severus is a compilation of 4th-century AD laws which only mentions the man in passing. I should also mention that the full name, "Quintus Flavius Egnatius Placidus Severus", seems to be partly made up by Settipani. Avilich (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. As written, the article uses the noun "politician" as his occupational label in the first sentence, but then fails to say a single word about how he was a politician — it otherwise focuses entirely on his family genealogy, without any reliable sources or any discernible notability claim. As for whether being vicar of a diocese would get him over WP:NPOL or not, I'd have to say no — it might get him over our notability criteria for religious figures if there were actual reliable sources present that counted toward WP:GNG, but it's not an "inherently" notable political role that would exempt him from having to have any sources. Bearcat (talk) 15:48, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - If 15's information is correct, he should be notable. The vicarius was effectively a provincial governor, or rather one rank above that, governing a Roman diocese consisting of several provinces, in principle 1/12 of the Roman Empire.  This is not a question of the kind of diocese that has a bishop.  Being a senator in a period when the senate had little power would certainly be NN.  NPOL is a useful guideline, but applies primarily to elected officials, not appointed ones.  "Vicar" means a deputy.  In the church sense, the person is the deputy of the rector.  In this case, it means the emperor's deputy for ruling Italy.  If that is what he was, we should no more delete him than we would the governor of North Dakota or Georgia.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't or shouldn't have single-sentence articles which are just X person was governor of Y place and nothing more. Whether he was elected or not is irrelevant, since all high officials of the empire were appointed. Most vicars known to us are sparsely documented nobodies. Don't make this more complicated than it is. Avilich (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I do dislike the way this kind of article creates pages of online cruft based on no sourcing whatsoever. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:49, 3 May 2021 (UTC)


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