Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quolowardia-The Novel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. I'm sorry Anonymous Informer but there's a clear consensus here that this book is not yet notable. We require more then something existing and being for sale to have an article on it. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Quolowardia-The Novel

 * – ( View AfD View log  •  Stats )

The article claims that this book is published by an imprint of Leadstart, but other than sites selling the book, I can find no evidence of this. I declined speedy as I feel deeper investigation and discussion is required. Peridon (talk) 10:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Speedy deletion is for quick decisions - there is a claim to significance in the age of the authors, but other than in the referenced Flipkart, plus SimplyBooks.in and Stackkart.com etc (all merely sales outlets) I can find no evidence for Leadstart or FrogBooks being involved. Not listed at Amazon. No sign of any coverage that i can see in reliable sources. Peridon (talk) 10:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is very obviously a non-notable book. There's absolutely zero talk about it that hasn't come from the author or the flipkart sale page. Most of the results are from the AfD listing. Even though this isn't exactly a self-published book, it still fails WP:BK by at least 200 miles.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 11:12, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm finding that Leadstart may well be a self-publishing outfit - see http://www.hotfrog.in/Products/Self-Publishing and http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110107052911AAEZuXShttp://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110107052911AAEZuXS Peridon (talk) 15:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Non-notable self-published book. SL93 (talk) 19:40, 14 April 2012

(UTC)
 * Comment Dear friend, I have to tell you some important things about this novel. First of all, leadstart is no self publishing agency. You can easily understand that by seeing www.leadstartcorp.com. Second, Quolowardia has no connection to hot-frogs (as it has been mentioned) as Peridon has mentioned. Also, the page at yahoo answers he had given has been deleted, making his links of no trust. All of you can go to the internet and type Quolowardia in a search engine. By looking at the book's cover, it could clearly be understood that it is published by Leadstart. And talking of notable sites, please check www.ebay.com. And by the way, Flipkart is not a mere sales outlet. Any more doubts about it?
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Failed WP:NOTE  Yash  t  101   08:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:BKCRIT. -- Supernova Explosion   Talk  01:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree that hotfrog is not connected to the book. It is a free directory site. It lists Leadstart in its self publishing section, with a quote from the company itself. I would think Leadstart would not have wanted to be put there if they weren't happy about it. I find it interesting that a question about being asked for money up front for publishing has suddenly been deleted. There is nothing defamatory about saying that a company may be involved in self-publishing or pay to publish cost sharing (which I consider near enough the same). The self-publishing 'industry' is providing a legitimate service in most cases. What it cannot supply is notability - and I find no notability for the book no matter which way it is published. I did look at the leadstart.com site, and found what I saw as confirmation of the self-publishing service, but since then, I have been unable to access the site. Can anyone else get into it? Yash, can you try, as you are based in India, I believe? Last time I was on there, I could find no trace of this book. It is very strange for a publisher not to list a book it is involved with - even self-publishing houses like Lulu provide webspace and listing. Peridon (talk) 09:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW Flipkart is an online shopping store, and being listed on eBay means nothing. Almost anyone can sell almost anything on eBay. Being listed on Amazon is no claim to notability either. And this book doesn't appear to be - possibly Amazon don't have a distribution facility in India. I have just done a Google search for "Quolowardia" and apart from the authors' site, the only hits appear to be online sales outlets, Wikipedia, and places like Facebook. No hit at the publisher's site. Peridon (talk) 10:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty much backing up what Peridon has said. First off, eBay is not a reliable site to show notability. Never has been, never will be. No merchant site will ever show notability. The site itself is notable, but that notability is not transferred to the items sold on it. (WP:NOTINHERITED) Secondly, nobody in the AfD ever said that HotFrog was connected to the publisher, just that it was pretty much one of the very, very few links that mention the book at all. In any case, regardless of whether the book is self-published or not, you need to have reliable sources per WP:RS to show that the book is notable. Please note that primary sources (anything released by the publisher, author, or anyone connected to either of them) do not count towards notability. The link to the author's personal blog and the link to the publisher's website do not show notability in any way, shape, or form. Existing is not notability. In the end there's just no reliable sources out there. The only links that talk about the book are by the publisher, the author, by a very few sites selling the book, or links to this deletion discussion. None of these links show notability.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Confusing situation here. Too many frogs. FrogBooks is an imprint of Leadstart, and the given publisher's name. HotFrog is a totally separate site which is a free directory, listing Leadstart in the 'self-publishers' section. With a quote from Leadstart. No mention of the book. FrogBooks didn't mention the book last time I could get in - as with leadstartcorp.com, frogbooks.net will not open for me. Being self-published is not of itself a bar to having an article - it's just that the coverage required (that does NOT mean places selling it) needs to be greater as the real publishing process (which takes linger than a few months in most cases) counts as a part of the note. Even if this were published by HarperCollins, as this stands there is no notability shown - or found. We do try to find reasons to keep. I've often added refs to articles that were up for deletion to save them. Peridon (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment  By the way, the book will be available on Leadstart's website in 2 weeks or so, as i have heard  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous Informer (talk • contribs) 10:21, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Won't affect the notability unless a heap of other stuff appears. The book may be notable some day - but we don't hold articles for future success - please see WP:CRYSTAL. Peridon (talk) 17:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry sir, I didn't notice that you seeked my help earlier as I was not watching this. Anyways, Yes, I live in India. And even I didn't got much about this book. No reliable source in short. This book isn't notable according to me. A book is available on flipkart, and that does not mean that it is notable.  Yash  t  101   02:52, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.