Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qur'an desecration at Guantánamo Bay

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was Already deleted when I got here. Golbez 01:13, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Qur'an desecration at Guantánamo Bay
Attempt by an editor to fork the lengthy and well-supported article called Allegations of Qur'an desecration at Guantánamo Bay with a POV version.--Lee Hunter 20:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete - Apparent POV fork. Content disputes need to be worked out in the article. --FCYTravis 21:01, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge - I created it to thwart the bias in the main article. Contributors have openly said they intend to limit the scope of the article to US abuse of the Koran. Either they must permit the Pentagon POV to be described there, or in a side bar article. (By the way "POV" is not the same as bias.) -- Uncle Ed (talk) 21:04, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * In fact that's not true at all. What's been happening is that Ed has been trying to make prisoner abuse of the Koran the main focus of the article - at one point he went so far as to remove the military abuse of the Koran from the intro and replaced it with prisoner abuse of the Koran. Other editors readily accept that the prisoner abuse should be mentioned within the article but find it distinctly odd that it should be elevated to the central issue when the world at large is not discussing it. --Lee Hunter 21:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * If I did, it was accidental (or more likely, temporary). I mentioned in talk that I want a balance. Where do you want the prisoner abuse of the Koran to be mentioned? In the same article as the US military abuse, or in a separate article? It's got to go somewhere. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 22:02, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete - POV fork. The notable story is about desecration of the Koran by US personnel. Alleged "abuse" by detainees hasn't really got much to do with anything. It barely merits a mention in the original article. 80.203.115.12 21:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV fork. --Angr/undefined 21:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to main article.--Kross 22:00, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, POV fork. RickK 22:03, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Consensus here is in direct conflict with consensus at the main article. But I guess this vote trumps that vote, so I'm deleting. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 23:45, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

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 * Comment. The editor has deleted it. However, for the record there have been far more occasions of prisoners at Guantanamao Bay desecrating the Qu'ran than the one or two occasions it has been harmed by the guards. Al Queda members are trained to make allegations of abuse while in custody and any allegations have been thoroughly investigated. Unfortunately, the media doesn't seem to be interested in offering fair coverage of this so I agree with Ed Poor that the bulk of the article should be about the actions of the detainees. Capitalistroadster 03:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Really Capitalist? I didn't know that you spent that much time at Gitmo so that you could be so certain that what the U.S. military has reported is the truth.  Even the Red Cross has had trouble getting access to that prison.  I'm impressed that you have such unimpeachable inside information.  Quale 23:47, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Allegations of Qur'an desecration (disambiguation)
 * Comment It's already been deleted, but for what it's worth, forking an article for any reason, even NPOV, is considered very poor policy.  ral  315  13:18, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005. As some incidents have been confirmed, it is no longer alleged. &mdash; RJH 14:54, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect, or move Qur'an desecration controversy of 2005 to this name. -Sean Curtin 01:03, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
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