Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qutub: The Point


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was redirect. "Delete and redirect" seems to be a common theme here, but nobody can really explain why we should be deleting the article before redirecting. A straight redirect is just as appropriate. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Qutub: The Point

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highly obscure book with only 541 copies produced according to the publisher - appears to be a stereotypical vanity entry - submitted along with Articles_for_deletion/Andrew_D._Chumbley Denial 06:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect 0 gnews hits. Ghits are only to booksellers. Article seems very promotional in nature, no strong claim to notability for the book. Horrorshowj 08:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * comment I doubt it's promotional as the book is very rare. But not much content to the article so maybe merge/redirect to Andrew Chumbley.Merkinsmum 20:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect the book is not notable on its own, but the author is for other reasons, so redirect to Andrew Chumbley. --Parsifal Hello 03:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Clarification. Suggest merging content to the target of the redirect as well, or place on talk page there for editors to merge. --Parsifal Hello 17:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete and redirect The book is notable in that it is so highly sought after it sells within hours of posting for sale at over $1000.00 per copy. This book is addressed on Chumbley's page in more detail. Lulubyrd 14:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I flatly refuse to believe this is really sold for over 1000$ until I'm given evidence. After all, the book is available for much less! I don't see how the price of a book makes it relevant, either. - Denial 19:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you find it online for less, in real book form, of which only a few hundred copies were made? Hence the price due to rarity.  Yes you can get them in download/torrent form but it's hardly the same as owning a rare and collectable book.  These might well increase in price too, as books do over the years, due to his death and their rarity.  So their possible value in future is another reason people want them.  The books also have a reputation/hype as being 'magickal' in themselves.  That is into the actual books he has put sigils, sigilised bookmarks, magickal script etc.  Rightly or wrongly people think the actual physical book, has a power in itself, which they might not think they could get from a download from online.Merkinsmum 17:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, that it's rare, obviously, doesn't automatically mean it's not important, quite the opposite.Merkinsmum 17:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge to Andrew D. Chumbley. IPSOS (talk) 21:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and redirect per Parsifal; This is not a rare old 1st edition. --Tiptopper 14:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.