Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. J. Herrera


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The result was delete. Consensus determined that being in multiple notable bands does not equate to demonstrable notability. ✗ plicit  07:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

R. J. Herrera

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Two of the four sources are dead and the other two are passing mentions. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. May be the member (or touring musician) of multiple bands, but that has not resulted in any meaningful press for the subject. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: As there appears to be ongoing discussion regarding "prominent" according to WP:BAND. Otherwise this discussion is trending towards a "delete" consensus.
 * Neutral-this is really borderline...he was, after all, in a very notable band for seven years...but at the same time, I don't find much about him..this is not like most Menudo members for example or The Beatles where there are multiple articles about each member individually....however, as I said, he was in it for seven years, which means he was probably on music videos and etc...Antonio Guevos de Acero Martin (que fue?) 06:29, March 28, 2021 (UTC)
 *  Weak Keep  changed to Weak Delete I, too, am troubled by the seemingly non-existence of RS recognition that is independent of one of the multiple groups he is associate with, but isn't one of the automatic criteria for WP:MUSIC notability to have been a member of at least two notable bands/ensembles? This guy has been in three. ShelbyMarion (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * There are no such automatic criteria. The criteria reads that the the subject may be not that the subject is notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. That being the case, I struck weak keep above and changed to weak delete. ShelbyMarion (talk) 17:19, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete we need independent sources to show notability, and they are lacking here. There is no other guideline that trumps the need for independent sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:BAND: "[...] or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles". He's been a member of Suicidal Tendencies and Luicidal. --FMSky (talk) 18:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * How is he reasonably prominent? Do you have sources to support that claim? It seems to me that he was just a band member, not a prominent one. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:17, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * We also now have a circular argument: he was in two notable bands, with Uncle Slam being the second, and in that AfD it was argued that because Herrera being in that band, that article was kept because we have multiple notable musicians in it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:15, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 23:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete two passing mentions doesn't warrant a standalone article. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 17:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Riteboke (talk) 07:26, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


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