Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RA-78804


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Editors can pursue a merge on talk if they wish. (non-admin closure) Desertarun (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

RA-78804

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The incident is not notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Per WP:AIRCRASH, in general, military aircraft incidents are not notable. The accident didn't result in a significant change in the operation of the aircraft or the operation of the Russian Air Force. Thus, the incident failed WP:GNG. Thank you. &maltese; SunDawn &maltese;   (contact)   13:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 21:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Aviation,  and Russia.  &maltese; SunDawn &maltese;    (contact)   13:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep. I added several references from the corresponding article in the Russian Wikipedia at ru:Катастрофа Ил-76 под Абаканом. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect. The article in question doesn't meet the criteria for notability per nomination. However, there is already an existing article titled List of Russian military accidents that include incidents such as this one. Integrating this article into the existing list would be better solution. Ckfasdf (talk) 05:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep The nominator refers to WikiProject Aviation/Aircraft accidents and incidents where that states: "it is recommended that it not be cited at Articles for Deletion discussions for either keeping or deleting." Next to that the nominator wrongly states that the essay states "in general, military aircraft incidents are not notable". The essay itself states "Accidents involving light aircraft and military aircraft are mostly non-prominent."


 * Most of the military accidents that happens regulary are carrying 1 or a few crew members. This accident killed 24 people, including 13 passengers. So (as example) in my opition it's about the same notability as the previous month 2024 Ivanovo Ilyushin Il-76 crash: a militairy airplane that crashed (15 peoeple were killed including passengers were killed).


 * An investigaion has been done into the cause of the crash and advice was given to prevent a similar accident.
 * There were multiple aspects on several levels (from the pilots, to the air traffic control, to aircraft weight inspector/approver to airplane map designer) that contributed to this crash including:
 * The 337 metres high hill was not indicated on the map of the pilots
 * The aircraft was overloaded
 * Air traffic control was not checking the location of the aircraft after take-off
 * A SOS signal went off but was ignored
 * That makes that the accidents meets all the aspects of WP:Event

Relisting comment: Analysis of available reference material would be very helpful. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But the article should be renamed: The current title of "RA-78804" is the registration number of the aircraft. According to the standards, the article should be moved to: 1996 Abakan Ilyushin IL-76 crash. 82.174.61.58 (talk) 12:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shadow311 (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Russian military accidents in the absence of any sources citing WP:LASTING effects such as changes to procedures. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. There are Russian sources for it. But perahps rename the article to 1996 Abakan Ilyushin IL-76 crash --Artene50 (talk) 09:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename – Per @Artene50. Significant coverage of Russian-language sources. Svartner (talk) 05:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to List of Russian military accidents. No evidence of lasting effects and per WP:DIVERSE. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.