Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RAW (animanga)


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The result was   Delete Gnangarra 12:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RAW (animanga)

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Disputed prod (original reason was "non-notable, covered in other articles, small, almost like a how-to article"). Article reads as a dictionary definition with no inbound links. Shiroi Hane (talk) 08:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.   —Shiroi Hane (talk) 08:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable neologism --Ged UK (talk) 08:43, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Raw is a necessary definition - once you have scanlation or fansub you must have a term for the unedited original. --Gwern (contribs) 19:54 8 July 2008 (GMT)
 * Comment. Translation has been around a lot longer than anime and manga, and there already is a definition - Source text. The Harry Potter books have been translated into many languages, officially and unofficially, but I don't see anyone calling the original English version the "RAW". Shiroi Hane (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Source text does not account for the digital component. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 15:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete It might be a necessary definition, but Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I don't see any way this article can expand beyond a definition, unless it was just information redundant to fansubbing. No clue what the all caps is for, it's only called "RAW" so you take notice and don't download the wrong thing... -Verdatum (talk) 20:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Dictionary definition. No possibility of expansion. Doceirias (talk) 21:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete The article is born from fundamental misunderstandings that suggest (much like the total lack of sources) that the creator shouldn't have made the article in the first place. This term is not unique to anime/manga translation, nor does it have any relation to it - I believe it's a term related to digital video editing (referring to raw, uncompressed video data, prior to being edited and refined into a form appropriate for release), and was simply adopted by the fansubbers (who have to reencode the video files and thus would know enough to know jargon like that) to refer to the equivalent step in their own process, and the scanlators adopted it from the fansubbers, and then the community picked up the term. As such, an article titled "RAW (animanga)" is a mistake from the beginning, because it should be "RAW (digital media)" or something like that...and in that case the creation of such an article should be left to people who actually know a thing or two about digital media, rather than people like the article creator (who apparently thinks fansubbers invented that use of the word) or me (who knows just enough to pretend he knows what he's talking about). 65.33.206.108 (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Conditional Keep, Rename to RAW (digital media), and expand - The scope of the article is very narrow right now. However judging by the number of google hits (+444,000 "RAW Anime" and +470,000 "RAW manga ) it's fair to say the term is commonly use specifically to denote unmodified source material. RAW as it related to digital media can also mean, comics books, movies, television, or any other digital item that are unmodified or untranslated. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 15:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - dictionary definition. PhilKnight (talk) 12:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


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