Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RGM-89 Jegan (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Early Earth Federation mobile suits in the Gundam universe. Spartaz Humbug! 03:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

RGM-89 Jegan
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Unsourced article about non-notable fictional weapon. Was kept at previous AfD due to "having lots of sources", however all those sources were primary and later deleted as copyvios. Appears not to have significant coverage in third-party sources. Black Kite 18:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not exactly sure what to do with this article. The mobile suit is featured in several Gundam series set in the Universal Century, and there isn't a single list for all mobile suits featured in the Universal Century timeline (and would be too unwieldy in the first place). Instead, we have lists for each individual series. (Original, Stardust Memories, Zeta, ZZ, and Victory) I would suggest redirecting it to Early Earth Federation mobile suits in the Gundam universe for the time being until someone can eventually sort things out. —Farix (t &#124; c) 03:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.  -- —Farix (t &#124; c) 03:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I would have reverted the link removal if I noticed it; the person who did it has since been smacked down by arbcom for various reasons. That being said this can't really stand on it's own at the moment anyways, so Redirect to somewhere appropriate. Jtrainor (talk) 07:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * [*sigh*] Delete as failing all relevant notability standards (no real-world coverage in substantial sources). Second option is redirect per TheFarix, and protect redirect. Stifle (talk) 10:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And why should the redirect be protected? Jtrainor (talk) 12:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically to ensure that nobody circumvents the AFD decision after it's completed and died down. Stifle (talk) 09:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that will be a problem. There is no evidence that anyone will recreate the article or restore a redirect. The only thing I see in the article history is an edit war over some copyvio stats. —Farix (t &#124; c) 02:35, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep/merge - likely target List of Mobile Weapons in Gundam. Thus hardly seems undue or false just likely unnotable on its own, no reason to delete however, simply merge to a more central list. Those familiar with the storylines should add refs at least to which episodes these came from. There likely is some real world correlates but that too may already be handled in the main list. -- Banj e  b oi   01:45, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Mobile Weapons in Gundam. Edward321 (talk) 00:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete If the criterion were ghits, this would be a hands down keep, but sadly Wikipedia requires reliable sources and none, so far, have been proposed: ghits!=rs. Also, I am a little baffled by Moonriddengirl's closure of the copyvio debate on the article talk page. She says she is closing with a decision to remove the material, but the edit she makes is to restore the deleted material.  Is this a mistake? If so the article should not be merged.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  19:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No, no mistake. The material that was a copyright problem is visible in comparing these diffs: . User:A Man In Black had already removed it, but blanked the article anyway to keep it from being restored pending closure. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * As a note, the material was -claimed- to be a copyright problem, but in actuality the removal was part of an edit war between AMIB and various WP:GUNDAM participants a while back. Jtrainor (talk) 21:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm the uninvolved administrator who closed the listing at CP, and I explained at the talk page why I agreed that it was a copyright problem. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 *  Delete  The proposed merge target is listcrufty and doesn't contain any out-of-universe information, so I don't want to add more wood to the fire. This article itself fails WP:N as the individual weapon hasn't been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, third-party sources.  Them  From  Space  21:24, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * On second thought, selectively merge and redirect to Early Earth Federation mobile suits in the Gundam_universe, but not to the larger "list of mobile weapons in gundum" article, which contains the problems I listed above. This list is backed up with at least some real-world documentation.  Them From  Space  21:31, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.