Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raccontarsi in versi. La poesia autobiografica in Inghilterra e in Spagna (1950-1980)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Menotti Lerro. I'm generally against awkward title redirects, but the article has existed for long enough in this case. § FreeRangeFrog croak 17:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Raccontarsi in versi. La poesia autobiografica in Inghilterra e in Spagna (1950-1980)

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (books) requirement. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:12, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:17, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Menotti Lerro. I think that the author would just barely squeak by notability guidelines. He's had a few journal reviews and his poetry was set to music recently, so that gives a reasonable enough assertion of notability. That said, I can't find anything to show that this book is independently notable outside of its author. I'd recommend this for all of his books as a whole. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the amount of SPAs for the article I think that I may open an SPI for this just to make sure that they're all unrelated. There seems to be some socking or meating going on here. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  09:40, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a good idea. I just find it hard to believe a number of new editors suddenly decided to collaborate on this topic. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:18, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Piotrus, I've started an SPI up if you're interested in weighing in. One of the accounts have stated that they're a group of 3 student friends editing from similar computers, but the problem is that there are a LOT of accounts. Some of them are here to just vote delete or blank the pages, which I think is a separate but probably related group. It's kind of fishy that these other accounts start signing up along the same point in time. One way or the other, I do think that there is a pretty organized attempt here to add Lerro to as many articles as possible. I can somewhat see this as a task for students, but this seems to have been going on for years. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:21, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
 * If you can ping me on the SPI, I'll take a look. Through I am less worried about SPI than just spam in this case; I don't think most if any of those books are notable; and the writer himself may warrant investigation. This smells to me like not-too-good-faithed attempt to use Wikipedia as vehicle for promotion/vanity :( Multiple confusing SPI-like accounts don't help, neither. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Piotrus, you are the only without good faith. You talked about Lerro's book as his "books" / you went in the main page of the author suggesting to an user how to try to delete the author. / You talk about "vanity". I think you should try to respect people and authors even if you think they are not important to be on WIkipedia. I think you have personal reasons. Maybe you know the author and have a sort of obsession about him... Try to relax!Foliinastr (talk) 09:19, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Dear Tokyogirl79, I think you are going in the wrong direction. The article of Lerro has been created years ago (I have not idea from who), after me and I can assure you also others, because the article was "within the aim of wikipedia" and was a stub (so that we were invited to improve it) started during the time to improve it. Other people wanted to help, so they did their part. There was just the aim to give a complete picture of his work. In this last period I decide to write about the opera so I created pages of his work. I did not have any idea it was prohibited to do it with more accounts (I don't see where is the problem). I don't think it add something. So Sometime, for instance, I did it from my place of work or whatever. For sure I am not the only user working on this progect. Anyway, Piotrus has been not nice towards the author, maybe he has personal reasons. In any case there was and there is perfect good faith: I think he is notable and I develop his work. If you think he is not, do what you can do. But please, don't go too far with your immagination. This is just an important website, nothing else. So, please, don't think people is there to attemp at this or at that. I always create a new account of wikipedia to improve articles. It is just because I don't remember passwords so If I do it from anothe place I create a new account because wikipedia advices to write always with an account to not leave IP. It is the only reason. I never thought it could be better in the time to develope his article with mosre account... DO you understand what I mean? I think you are exagerating. The author is a notable author and I don't think he needs these stuff. SO please, try to be nice (dear Piotrus) and if there are good reason to delete just delete, butr try to respect users, people and authors. Take care. Rainermaria27 (talk) 11:11, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Let me add I never gave a "keep" vote (I did not want to do it just to be correct, because I was one of the main contributer) with some account or blancked any pages. Lerro received many personal attacks on his talk page from people in the past. Such "invitamia", (an italian user) who was always unkind while I was creating the page. The same did "Erodiade" in the Lerro talk page, talking of the author like a "self-published nobody". Sometimes I had some reaction at these behaviours because it is not nice to talk of an author in this way. He can be suitable for Wikipedia or not, but he is a person and an author and we have to respect! I know that things could appear different, but trust me, the only thing I did has been creating freely pages of an author I thought (more because I read that he was within the aim of wikipedia) he is enciclopedic. There are not PIS-PIM-SOCKS-SPA- and similar things :-). I even don't know what are these. I am not professional of wikipedia, that's why I added so many references. I thought more I add nicer the page would appear. I did not think, for instance, they were not always good or unusable. I don't know if it is making a sense what i say. In the end I just would recomand all of us to be correct (dear Piotrus, to be honest, when you talked of his books as "books" I thought you were a new or the same "Erodiade"...) but probably you just were in good faith. I belive it and understand. I hope you can belive and understand me too. All the bestRainermaria27 (talk) 13:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


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