Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rachel Baker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Calling it unusual does not make it so; saying that the reason for her news coverage is because it is unusual is merely speculative. It is not a "well-documented historic event" as claimed; the news articles are of a transient nature. Note that "not ingenious" is not a reason for deletion; it is simply that this story is not notable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Rachel Baker

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No indication that this individual meets the notability requirements. Just looks like a run-of-the-mill murderer. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:05, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Run-of-the-mill is meant to preclude streets, restaurants, shopping malls... etc. It states that "run-of-the-mill is a common, everyday, ordinary item that does not stand out from all the rest". A nurse who runs a care home and breaks her duty of care by stealing patients' medicine, leading to deaths and a huge murder inquiry is not exactly run-of-the-mill. The extensive media coverage shows this. Malick78 (talk) 23:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete does not meet notability criteria. Crime not particularly ingenious. --Bejnar (talk) 19:30, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as article fails notability criteria for criminals, there is nothing special about this crime. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  20:51, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NOTABLE. Tyrol5   [Talk]  20:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In what way does it fail WP:NOTABLE? It has significant coverage in reliable sources. Please elaborate. Malick78 (talk) 23:18, 18 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep She's clearly notable as 2,800 articles on the internet show. Her crimes do not have to be "ingenious" as Bejnar assumes, just - as notability criteria for criminals says - the "motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime [should be] unusual or has otherwise been considered noteworthy such that it is a well-documented historic event". The amount of media coverage shows it to be well-documented and noteworthy, and her reasons (a drug habit - strange for a nurse) seem to be unusual. This is not an ordinary criminal (e.g. a mugger) for whom the guidelines were probably written. Malick78 (talk) 22:07, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at the statistics. The primary cause of a nurse losing her/his credentials is drug abuse. --Bejnar (talk) 03:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So show us the statistics please. As it is, newspapers have covered Baker's case because they deem it unusual. Furthermore, drug abuse in nurses may lead to them losing their credentials, but I'm not aware that it's common for it to lead to a spate of patient deaths. If you think it is, then once again, please show us the evidence. Malick78 (talk) 15:23, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as a WP:BLP1E. To elaborate further, this appears to have been a newsworthy story at the time, but nothing seems to indicate encyclopedic notability of this person or this crime, per se; the historic significance per WP:PERP does not seem to be met. Without getting on a soapbox, this type of nursing home abuse and/or drug abuse by a healthcare professional happens quite often, unfortunately; hence the unusual aspect of WP:PERP does not seem to be met either. While this type of story does get briefly sensationalized by the media, WP:NOTNEWS seems to apply. -- Kinu t /c  03:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep a nurse, the owner of an old age home, who kills her patients,  is unusual and notable .    DGG ( talk ) 03:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
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