Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rachel Santesso


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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Rachel Santesso

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Not notable for Wikipedia yet. The subject just founded a local choir in the UK (like many other choirs). Cannot find many reliable sources (that are not from her personal pages, e.g. personal website, etc.) that confirm her encyclopaedic relevance/notability. Just one of many singers. Sheroddy (talk) 17:17, 13 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete The subject fails both the General Notability Guidelines and the alternative criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. This version represents everything I could find about the subject that was remotely independently sourced—a piece in the local press of Victoria, British Columbia and a review of one of her CDs (the only review I could find) in a magazine which reviews recordings based on whether or not an ad is also purchased . It still isn't enough to pass the notability criteria. However, all of it was removed by the editor who created the article and who has admitted a close affiliation to Santesso, . The editor also wrote the current "PR" version as well as Capital Children's Choir which Santesso founded. The choir itself just about scrapes notability, although in its current state that article is a monument to puffery. Voceditenore (talk) 06:19, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 06:39, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Voceditenore (talk) 06:47, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. With a quick Google I turn up three separate reviews just of her "Songs of Louis Vierne" album, in Fanfare, the BBC Music Magazine, and International Record Review; there seems to be a chapter, or at least some substantial paragraphs, about her in a biography of Lily Allen (mentor etc.); there are news stories about the choir she directs in NME and elsewhere. The article has her down as conductor on Winter Magic (album). If that's right it's pretty major, although the reviews naturally focus on the singer, not the conductor. I've not spent 5 minutes on this. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Santesso did not conduct the whole Winter Magic album. She conducted the Capital Children's Choir who sang with Westenra on 4 of the tracks. The mentions in the books about Lilly Allen are about how Santesso mentored her when she was 11 years old at a school in Camden where Santesso was a teacher, but are not about Santesso herself. I don't think that establishes independent notability, but interpretations of WP:NOTINHERITED do vary. Nor am I particularly impressed by this short PR blurb from NME in which she gets a passing mention. Voceditenore (talk) 21:56, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Then she seems to half-meet multiple points of WP:MUSICBIO. I'll stick with weak keep, particularly with her really being on four tracks of Winter Magic. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 22:06, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles (talk) 21:21, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now and restart when better as although I found links at Books, News, browser and highbeam, this would be a WP:TNT and restarted when better. SwisterTwister   talk  05:40, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as she has not received the level and the depth of coverage that we usually call significant. Her notability claim is that she founded and currently directs the Capital Children's Choir. I disagree with editor  SwisterTwister  about WP:TNT.  It is not that this composition is particularly badly presented or is so full of promotion and trivia that it cannot be saved, she just hasn't had enough coverage.  It may be WP:TOOSOON, but I suspect that she will float under the radar for ever.  Time will tell.  I would not be adverse to a redirect to Capital Children's Choir, if others prefer that.  --Bejnar (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


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